White Knight Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jul 19 2005, 04:15 PM']And therein lies the problem with Star Trek and Trekkies. Star Trek's liberal secular-humanist utopia is in reality as fantastic and far from reality as anything in Star Wars. I feel bad for anyone actually believing in that carp. For all its New-Agey foolishness, Star Wars' vision of a struggle good vs. evil is actually closer to reality than Star Trek's PC utopianism. [right][snapback]650160[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I take it you feel bad for those who think the Jedi Religion in The UK? lol Thats when Star Wars goes to far. same with Star Trek, the moment you take something like that and turn it into a cult or a religion or a language or somethings thats going too far. lol [b]I'm a Star Wars fan and I know whats too far and not too far.[/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robguitar Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 It's entertainment. It's not real. And the Vulcan mind meld is way cooler than the Jedi mind trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah_JC Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 Pfft. Star Wars is teh best. I dressed up as a jedi for halloween. Jedi could beat Vulcans any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 I dot it! I got it! As some of you might know, I am reading De Casu, by Anson of Cantiburry, aka, "the Fall of the Devil". And when reading it a little further last night, it cam to, *slap*, why Star Wars isn't what it seems to be! Hold on to your light sabers Star Wars 'fans', your universe is about to be shaken! --------------------------------- Anson of Cantebury forwards the notion, and this is a simplification of this notion, that evil does not exist, only the absence of good. Same with justice, there is no such thing as injustice, simply a lack of justice wherer there ougt to be justice. And countless examples in real life support this notion, even physically. For example, 'pushing' is an action that does not exist, rather, someone is 'pulling' towards one's self. Also, light functions the same way, since darkness is nothing as well. if I have a flashlight, and I activate it, I 'create' a beam of light. The light, in essence, is htus something. But if I de-activate the flash light, and where the beam once was now is dark, did I thus create darkness? f course not! where the darkness lay, is simply the absence of where light once was. Anson supports, based on this simplified thinking, that evil does not exist, simply the absence of good. Thus I apply his theological nad philosophical approach to tell you all this: STAR WARS is BS BS BS. It is heretical! To be proper, there should be two types of sabers, a 'blue light-sabor', and a black 'dark-saber'.....but noooooo, there is a blue pight-sabor and a red light-sabor, what silliness! And since evil is nothing, evil can have NO FORCE! Thus the power of the darkside is simply the absence of the power of the bright side. There is NO SUCH THING AS THE DARK FORCES OF DARTH VADOR! Star Wars is thus theologically and philosophically UNSOUND in its very premisse, and though leads the audience in an action and suspense delight, ses them on the path heresy! I actually understand this stuff! I haven't felt this sart in... well in... lets say; since a long long time ago! HA! Burn you star wars memorabilia! Destroy your movies of Star Wars! To the dark side they bring you! A trap they are! To the nothingess of evil they lead! _________________ I feel so great, I think I will post on the Pinky and the Brain thread, 'cause I feel like I can conquer the world today baby! [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=5992&hl=pinky"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...c=5992&hl=pinky[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted August 1, 2005 Author Share Posted August 1, 2005 [quote name='Didacus' date='Aug 1 2005, 08:29 AM']I dot it! I got it! As some of you might know, I am reading De Casu, by Anson of Cantiburry, aka, "the Fall of the Devil". And when reading it a little further last night, it cam to, *slap*, why Star Wars isn't what it seems to be! Hold on to your light sabers Star Wars 'fans', your universe is about to be shaken! --------------------------------- Anson of Cantebury forwards the notion, and this is a simplification of this notion, that evil does not exist, only the absence of good. Same with justice, there is no such thing as injustice, simply a lack of justice wherer there ougt to be justice. And countless examples in real life support this notion, even physically. For example, 'pushing' is an action that does not exist, rather, someone is 'pulling' towards one's self. Also, light functions the same way, since darkness is nothing as well. if I have a flashlight, and I activate it, I 'create' a beam of light. The light, in essence, is htus something. But if I de-activate the flash light, and where the beam once was now is dark, did I thus create darkness? f course not! where the darkness lay, is simply the absence of where light once was. Anson supports, based on this simplified thinking, that evil does not exist, simply the absence of good. Thus I apply his theological nad philosophical approach to tell you all this: STAR WARS is BS BS BS. It is heretical! To be proper, there should be two types of sabers, a 'blue light-sabor', and a black 'dark-saber'.....but noooooo, there is a blue pight-sabor and a red light-sabor, what silliness! And since evil is nothing, evil can have NO FORCE! Thus the power of the darkside is simply the absence of the power of the bright side. There is NO SUCH THING AS THE DARK FORCES OF DARTH VADOR! Star Wars is thus theologically and philosophically UNSOUND in its very premisse, and though leads the audience in an action and suspense delight, ses them on the path heresy! I actually understand this stuff! I haven't felt this sart in... well in... lets say; since a long long time ago! HA! Burn you star wars memorabilia! Destroy your movies of Star Wars! To the dark side they bring you! A trap they are! To the nothingess of evil they lead! _________________ I feel so great, I think I will post on the Pinky and the Brain thread, 'cause I feel like I can conquer the world today baby! [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=5992&hl=pinky"]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?s...c=5992&hl=pinky[/url] [right][snapback]667008[/snapback][/right] [/quote] A lightsaber is merely an ancient weapon, a Sithlord can weild any colored saber if desired, it is tradition though that they choose a red crystal. Evil does exist, heard of Satan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Aug 1 2005, 10:42 AM']A lightsaber is merely an ancient weapon, a Sithlord can weild any colored saber if desired, it is tradition though that they choose a red crystal. Evil does exist, heard of Satan? [right][snapback]667140[/snapback][/right] [/quote] No, evil does not exist... only the absence of good which we denote as evil. Thogh the devil turned from good, into what is nothing as we have termed 'evil', this does not destroy the will he had with which he turned to evil, or turned from good to nothingess. Thus the devil does exist, and his will, though unbroken, is turned to nothingess such as 'injustice' (ie; the absence of justice) or 'evil' (ie, the absence of good). For an in-depth analysis of this I suggest you read DeCasu by Anson of canteburry, fascniating stuff from a teacher talking to what I am convinced is a hand-puppet he passes off as his student. I can send you a pdf format copy of it you pm me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Didacus' date='Aug 1 2005, 10:52 AM']No, evil does not exist... only the absence of good which we denote as evil. Thogh the devil turned from good, into what is nothing as we have termed 'evil', this does not destroy the will he had with which he turned to evil, or turned from good to nothingess. Thus the devil does exist, and his will, though unbroken, is turned to nothingess such as 'injustice' (ie; the absence of justice) or 'evil' (ie, the absence of good). For an in-depth analysis of this I suggest you read DeCasu by Anson of canteburry, fascniating stuff from a teacher talking to what I am convinced is a hand-puppet he passes off as his student. I can send you a pdf format copy of it you pm me... [right][snapback]667149[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Then what is the devil? if hes not evil? Evil has to exist. Only one time in our entire existance has there ever been only one side.[b] "Good"[/b] Edited August 1, 2005 by White Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 [quote name='White Knight' date='Aug 1 2005, 03:08 PM']Then what is the devil? if hes not evil? Evil has to exist. Only one time in our entire existance has there ever been only one side.[b] "Good"[/b] [right][snapback]667509[/snapback][/right] [/quote] No, the devil is a being that exists with his will turned to evil, aka, his will turned away from good. And no, there has always been but one side, but most always believed there where two concrete sides. Ponder these things, enlightenment will come to you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 I definitely vote for Star Trek. I've been watching both since I was very little, and I always loved Star Trek, but never could get into Star Wars until the new trilogy (I know, I smell of elderberries because I don't like the old trilogy, blah blah blah). Episode II was awful though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totus Tuus Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 [quote name='Didacus' date='Aug 1 2005, 10:52 AM']No, evil does not exist... only the absence of good which we denote as evil. [/quote] Although this is true, it seems like there's a hole somewhere in your premise to say that "evil does not exist". I know it's the absence of good, but doesn't that make it an idea in itself? Because both are intangible... I'm not trying to make more out of this than there is, but I've wondered about it before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 [color=FF0066][b]Star Treck always bored me to death. [/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavenseeker Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Star Wars Rules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Obi Wan could give Kirk a spanking. There is nothing quite as cool as the Jedi order in Star Trek. That's my only issue with it. Star Trek has some cool stuff, but the Jedi rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 What about the Sith? they make very interesting villians which is a very needed theme for Good vs. Evil Story which is what Star Wars is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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