I wanna get drunk

[Jaime]

[quote name='StColette' date='Jul 16 2005, 10:18 PM']ROFL hsmom
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Yes she is but she's hoggin the tequila

[StColette]

Hsmom share the tequila with hot stuff lol

[Laudate_Dominum]

goodnight phatmass!! I'm going to a friends house. ttyl

btw, it's all about whiskey (although tequilla sounds phat right now too)

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jul 16 2005, 10:46 PM']Well, drinking with the intent to get drunk is something that I've never understood. Drinking socially or to relax is something that I'm okay with, though.
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that's weird. were you ever 18?

i was all idealist last year and thought i'd live in the freshman dorms and try to evangelize. I got into a lot of spiritual conversations with drunk people at (DISGUSTING) freshman parties. Most of the conversation would revolve around how to get as wasted as possible, and i'd always be the "token Catholic" (well, I'm always a token Catholic everywhere i go). once people found out i was Catholic they would instantly start asking me questions like "so... that means you don't believe in birth control?" or "so you don't like gay people?" one of the freshmen that I lived with is enfolling in RCIA.

but....in terms of the drinking, Laudate, are you alone? It's generally considered pathological to drink a lot by yourself. At the same time, you're less likely to do something stupid, although that's not always true. I'd also be worried if you are trying to drink your problems away, i.e. trying to get rid of depression or anxiety. If that's why you want to drink a lot, what you really need to do is pray and give your problems to God.

[cmotherofpirl]

It can also mean there is simply no one else around to have a drink with .
Groups can be overrated.
Why do we need other people to enjoy ourselves?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Jul 16 2005, 10:37 PM']that's weird.  were you ever 18?[/quote]


Let's see... yep.

But I was never into drinking. I never drank in college.

We drank milk at our wedding.

In fact, we never even had alcohol in the house until a few years ago.

[photosynthesis]

I'm in college and until I turned 21 I only drank when I was with my mom or dad. but you can be as straight edge as they come and still know people who drink to get drunk.

[kaidoh]

17 i dont want a drink

[WillT]

A few non-Irish drinking songs appropriate to the thread. Both oddly enough are by George Thorogood and The Destroyers.

[quote][b]I Drink Alone[/b]

I drink alone, yeah,
with nobody else
I drink alone, yeah,
with nobody else
You know when I drink alone,
I prefer to be by myself

Every morning just before breakfast,
I don't want no coffee or tea
Just me and good buddy Wiser,
that's all I ever need
'Cause I drink alone, yeah,
with nobody else
Yeah, you know when I drink alone,
I prefer to be by myself

The other night I laid sleeping,
and I woke from a terrible dream
So I called up my pal Jack Daniel's,
and his partner Jimmy Beam
And we drank alone, yeah,
with nobody else
Yeah, you know when I drink alone,
I prefer to be by myself

The other day I got invited to a party,
but I stayed home instead
Just me and my pal Johnny Walker,
and his brothers Black and Red
And we drank alone, yeah,
with nobody else
Yeah, you know when I drink alone,
I prefer to be by myself

My whole family done give up on me,
and it makes me feel oh so bad
The only one who will hang out with me,
is my dear old granddad
And we drink alone, yeah,
with nobody else
Yeah, you know when I drink alone,
I prefer to be by myself[/quote]


[quote][b]One Bourbon, One Scotch, and One Beer.[/b]

Wanna tell you a story
About the house-man blues
I come home one Friday
Had to tell the landlady I'da lost my job
She said that don't confront me
Long as I get my money next Friday
Now next Friday come I didn't get the rent
And out the door I went

So I goes to the landlady
I said you let me slide?
I'll have the rent for you in a month
Next I don't know
So said let me slide it on you know people
I notice when I come home in the evening
She ain't got nothing nice to say to me
But for five year she was so nice
Loh' she was lovy-dovy
I come home one particular evening
The landlady said you got the rent money yet?
I said no, can't find no job
Therefore I ain't got no money to pay the rent
She said I don't believe you're tryin' to find no job
Said I seen you today you was standin' on a corner
Leaning up against a post
I said but I'm tired, I've been walkin' all day
She said that don't confront me
Long as I get my money next Friday
Now next Friday come I didn't have the rent
And out the door I went

So I go down the streets
Down to my good friend's house
I said look man I'm outdoors you know
Can I stay with you maybe a couple days?
He said let me go and ask my wife
He come out of the house
I could see it in his face
I know that was no
He said I don't know man ah she kinda funny, you know
I said I know, everybody funny, now you funny too
So I go back home
I tell the landlady I got a job, I'm gonna pay the rent
She said yeah? I said oh yeah
And then she was so nice
Loh' she was lovy-dovy
So I go in my room, pack up my things and I go
I slip on out the back door and down the streets I go
She a-howlin' about the front rent, she'll be lucky to get any back rent
She ain't gonna get none of it
So I stop in the local bar you know people
I go to the bar, I ring my coat, I call the bartender
Said look man, come down here, he got down there
So what you want?

One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
Well I ain't seen my baby since I don't know when
I've been drinking bourbon, whiskey, scotch and gin
Gonna get high man I'm gonna get loose
Need me a triple shot of that juice
Gonna get drunk don't you have no fear
I want one bourbon, one scotch and one beer
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer

But I'm sitting now at the bar
I'm getting drunk, I'm feelin' mellow
I'm drinkin' bourbon, I'm drinkin' scotch, I'm drinkin' beer
Looked down the bar, here come the bartender
I said look man, come down here
So what you want?

One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
No I ain't seen my baby since the night before last
Gotta get a drink man I'm gonna get gassed
Gonna get high man I ain't had enough
Need me a triple shot of that stuff
Gonna get drunk won't you listen right here
I want one bourbon, one shot and one beer
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer

Now by this time I'm plenty high
You know when your mouth a-getting dry you're plenty high
Looked down the bar I say to my bartender
I said look man, come down here, he got down there
So what you want this time?
I said look man, a-what time is it?
He said the clock on the wall say three o'clock
Last call for alcohol, so what you need?

One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
No I ain't seen my baby since a nigh' and a week
Gotta get drunk man till I can't even speak
Gonna get high man listen to me
One drink ain't enough Jack you better make it three
I wanna get drunk I'm gonna make it real clear
I want one bourbon, one scotch and one beer
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer[/quote]

[ReinnieR]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jul 16 2005, 10:45 PM']It can also mean there is simply no one else around to have a drink with .
Groups can be overrated.
Why do we need other people to enjoy ourselves?
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that is true

lately when i drink i drink by myself

[Philippe]

since everyone else is doing it!!!! PARTY WASTED

*runs from cops since Philippe is 5 years underage*

but its soo fun WOOOHOOO

[corban711]

the first thing i realized when i turned 21 was that there was a darn good reason i didn't drink beer before...it is simply NOT as good as a good soda. i will take pepsi, wild cherry pepsi, mr. pibb, root beer, coke, dr. pepper, sprite or a few others over any beer, any time, any day of the week. it just tastes better!!! i think a lot of younger people try to drink and don't like it till much later when their taste buds end up changing...i on the other hand would rather drink something that tastes good.

i don't drink almost at all for that reason. i have had about 5 beers or so since i turned 21. i certainly haven't had more than that although i don't remember the exact number. i prefer wine although i don't drink that almost at all either. i like soda, coffee and aquafina.

[Semperviva]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' date='Jul 16 2005, 08:08 PM']Aquinas said something to the effect that your only drunk when your unable to reason, so just don't go beyond your ability to reason

God Bless
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it was

"Drink to the point of merriment"
I believe.
However,
this seems way too vague a guideline....

[Laudate_Dominum]

I think this business about drinking socially vs. drinking alone is absurd. Drinking alone is "pathological", this is just silly. Tea is often thought of as a social beverage, but I most often drink it alone (and quite frequently I might add), yet no one will call this pathological. I fail to see how there is anything evil about enjoying wine, or beer, or even whiskey if it is not done in the extreme where it becomes unhealthy. But coffee drinking can be done in excess and become unhealthy, as can drinking water. I knew a fellow who had some kind of obsessive compulsive thing that made him drink water constantly and this caused all kinds of weird health problems for him, it actually wrecked his life in many ways.

Also, the idea of something being a social beverage is little more than a cultural norm. There are cultures in which there are no alchoholic taboos and wine is considered a staple of daily life (like water really), and age and the question of drinking alone are not even considerations. Basically I would like to see the reasons behind the statement that drinking alone is pathological. Certainly there are people with whom there might be a pathology which for them involves boozing, but to make such a sweeping statement is out of line.

Certainly it is nice to do things socially such as drink, eat meals, watch tv, play games, etc. but doing these things alone is also pretty cool sometimes.

Cheers!

[Laudate_Dominum]

There is something I remember reading in the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas (though I can't remember exactly where) in which he recommends a taking a bath and having a glass of wine if one is under stress.

Here are some other quotes:

"Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine so that I may wet my mind and say something clever." - St. Thomas Aquinas

"When men drink wine they are rich, they are busy, they push lawsuits, they are happy, they are friends." - St. Thomas Aquinas

However, Aquinas does say drunkenness is (or can be) sinful (this is from the Summa):


Whether drunkenness is a sin?
Objection 1. It would seem that drunkenness is not a sin. For every sin has a corresponding contrary sin, thus timidity is opposed to daring, and presumption to pusillanimity. But no sin is opposed to drunkenness. Therefore drunkenness is not a sin.

Objection 2. Further, every sin is voluntary [Augustine, De Vera Relig. xiv]. But no man wishes to be drunk, since no man wishes to be deprived of the use of reason. Therefore drunkenness is not a sin.

Objection 3. Further, whoever causes another to sin, sins himself. Therefore, if drunkenness were a sin, it would follow that it is a sin to ask a man to drink that which makes him drunk, which would seem very hard.

Objection 4. Further, every sin calls for correction. But correction is not applied to drunkards: for Gregory [Cf. Canon Denique, dist. 4 where Gratian refers to a letter of St. Gregory to St. Augustine of Canterbury] says that "we must forbear with their ways, lest they become worse if they be compelled to give up the habit." Therefore drunkenness is not a sin.

On the contrary, The Apostle says (Rm. 13:13): "Not in rioting and drunkenness."

I answer that, Drunkenness may be understood in two ways. First, it may signify the defect itself of a man resulting from his drinking much wine, the consequence being that he loses the use of reason. On this sense drunkenness denotes not a sin, but a penal defect resulting from a fault. Secondly, drunkenness may denote the act by which a man incurs this defect. This act may cause drunkenness in two ways. On one way, through the wine being too strong, without the drinker being cognizant of this: and in this way too, drunkenness may occur without sin, especially if it is not through his negligence, and thus we believe that Noah was made drunk as related in Gn. 9. On another way drunkenness may result from inordinate concupiscence and use of wine: in this way it is accounted a sin, and is comprised under gluttony as a species under its genus. For gluttony is divided into "surfeiting [Douay:,'rioting'] and drunkenness," which are forbidden by the Apostle (Rm. 13:13).

Reply to Objection 1. As the Philosopher says (Ethic. iii, 11), insensibility which is opposed to temperance "is not very common," so that like its species which are opposed to the species of intemperance it has no name. Hence the vice opposed to drunkenness is unnamed; and yet if a man were knowingly to abstain from wine to the extent of molesting nature grievously, he would not be free from sin.

Reply to Objection 2. This objection regards the resulting defect which is involuntary: whereas immoderate use of wine is voluntary, and it is in this that the sin consists.

Reply to Objection 3. Even as he that is drunk is excused if he knows not the strength of the wine, so too is he that invites another to drink excused from sin, if he be unaware that the drinker is the kind of person to be made drunk by the drink offered. But if ignorance be lacking neither is excused from sin.

Reply to Objection 4. Sometimes the correction of a sinner is to be foregone, as stated above (33, 6). Hence Augustine says in a letter (Ad Aurel. Episc. Ep. xxii), "Meseems, such things are cured not by bitterness, severity, harshness, but by teaching rather than commanding, by advice rather than threats. Such is the course to be followed with the majority of sinners: few are they whose sins should be treated with severity."