Carrie Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:03 AM']1. Joseph was still given as caretaker in their marriage, unless you have gone Fundamentalist on us and believe that they had children together. [right][snapback]669713[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Even in today's time, aren't husbands usually seen as caretakers and providers for their wives? [quote]Then an 18 and an 95 year old should be able to marry right? The 18 year old is no longer a minor. [/quote] If that was God's will, then I would have no problem with it.
Brother Adam Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 I don't think the point is about 'what you want' but rather what is right in the eyes of the Church. I believe canon law states that if there is no possibility for child-bearing there can be no sacramental marriage. But I'm not positive and am trying to look it up right now.
Carrie Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:09 AM']Would you two be able to bear chidlren? [right][snapback]669718[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Why wouldn't they be able to? Noel is young enough to bear children. And men create new sperm all the time. It's not like a woman's eggs, which age.
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 Sperm also decreases as men age. Why did God institute marriage?
Brother Adam Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Aug 3 2005, 10:10 AM']James Doohan had a child at 80 [right][snapback]669721[/snapback][/right] [/quote] James is also a male I am assuming.
Carrie Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:12 AM']yes he was [right][snapback]669726[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Ditto
Norseman82 Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 Well, there are a lot of men who are still single in their 40s or beyond. If they want to have children, they are going to have to look for someone younger.
Brother Adam Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 You can throw out all the emotionally driven responses you want, but it isn't going to go anywhere unless we have some type of definitive teaching on the Church. There is something that naturally offends the senses about the extremely old and the extremely young marrying which is why I hold the position I do about 'outside of a generation'. If you have some positive proof that God would call a 102 year old and a 12 year old (12 is the limit of the Catholic Church in some countries for how old a person must be) I'll change my position.
Carrie Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 Hmm, i somehow recall Sarah not thinking she would be able to bear children. Can anyone say miracle of God? Anything is possible with God. Why place limits on that?
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 God also gave her a child to fulfill an oath/covenant with Abraham. And they were only ten years apart, if I remember correctly.
Brother Adam Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Aug 3 2005, 10:15 AM']Hmm, i somehow recall Sarah not thinking she would be able to bear children. Can anyone say miracle of God? Anything is possible with God. Why place limits on that? [right][snapback]669733[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Again, emotional responses aren't going to get us anywhere. All things are possible with God, but not all things are in the will of God.
Noel's angel Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 'sorry, i can't love you because you're 64 and I'm only 26. It would juts be wrong to marry you even though there is no real reason why we shouldn't-we might get funny looks from people in the street' What an attitude to have
Jaime Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:03 AM']1. Joseph was still given as caretaker in their marriage, unless you have gone Fundamentalist on us and believe that they had children together. [right][snapback]669713[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I haven't gone fundamentalist. Joseph and Mary were arranged to be married prior to the "Oh by the way, you're going to be the Mother of God" news. I'm simply supporting Hsmom's position that it is a cultural difference. Nor am I saying that I'm comfortable with a vast age difference thing. But Hsmom is correct, it is cultural.
Carrie Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:17 AM']God also gave her a child to fulfill an oath/covenant with Abraham. And they were only ten years apart, if I remember correctly. [right][snapback]669735[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The point is anything is possible with God. Anything, regardless of age. [quote]Again, emotional responses aren't going to get us anywhere. All things are possible with God, but not all things are in the will of God. [/quote] How is this an emotional response. If we close ourselves off to the possibility, then we are not fully leaving ourselves open to the will of God. Capice?
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted August 3, 2005 Posted August 3, 2005 [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:22 AM']'sorry, i can't love you because you're 64 and I'm only 26. It would juts be wrong to marry you even though there is no real reason why we shouldn't-we might get funny looks from people in the street' What an attitude to have [right][snapback]669740[/snapback][/right] [/quote] NO, however, because part of the reason why GOd institute marriage is to bear children, and chances are great that we will not, it is not right for me to marry you.
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