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[Noel's angel]

ok, i think what we are all trying to gt at is the fact that the marriage should be open to having children. However, what needs to be realised is that men of 80 CAN have children, and just because the chance is less, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to marry. It isn't the same as a man who has had a vasectomy marrying

[Carrie]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:46 AM']You are right, I am comparing apples with oranges, but you have told me it doesn't matter, because "With God [b]all[/b] things are possible." So are they, or are they not?
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Yes, I said all things are possible if God wills it.

You seem to forget that little part.

God does not and will never will same sex unions.

Your argument does not hold water Adam.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Well stated, hot stuff.

[Brother Adam]

lol. I'm going to settle this (hopefully) and call a canon lawyer friend of mine who works on tribunals.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:53 AM']But we can at what age men can, without it being a miracle, a man have a child.
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Ask Strom Thurmond or James Doohan....

[Theoketos]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:54 AM']I believe, (and I need to go back and look up my references) that the Canon Law is in respect to couples that marry without the knowledge that one or both of the couple is infertile.  That marrying under these pretenses does not invalidate or annul the marriage. 

However, (and again I need to look this up) I do know that there are cases where couples were not allowed to marry because the fiance was wounded in war.  They new that they would never be able to bear children and the Church refused to allow the sacrament.
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That may be a true story, but I wonder if this wound also would not allow for consumation...(which would in affect not allow for procreation). And I imagine it really rather hard to suffer such a wound that would render one infertile without being impotent.

And I just re-read that whole section and there is nothing about fertility or rather infertility being an impediment.

Edited August 3, 2005 by Theoketos

[Noel's angel]

actually, i think hot stuff is incorrect in his statement. There was a thread a while back where this was discussed. Again, using the example of my cousin-she knew she could'nt have children, she got married, and now has two kids

[Noel's angel]

[quote name='Norseman82' date='Aug 3 2005, 03:56 PM']Ask Strom Thurmond or James Doohan....
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I said that earlier as well, but it was dismissed I think

[Theoketos]

It is so frustrating to properally quote Canon Law and have generally open minded people not listen.

[Noel's angel]

I hear ya

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 08:02 AM']He was also more her guardian than her husband.
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No, he was her husband. Even though he didn't have marital relations with her, doesn't make him less of her husband.

(A man can be guardian to many people but only husband to one.)

[Carrie]

[quote name='Theoketos' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:57 AM']That may be a true story, but I wonder if this wound also would not allow for consumation...(which would in affect not allow for procreation).

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This is my thought as well...

[Deeds]

Back to the original topic... it depends on the ages of the couple involved. I'm 21 later this month and my boyfriend is 28. I think that difference is ok at our age, but would be too much if I was 16.

I do think it's dodgy though when you see rich middle-aged men going out with women young enough to be their daughter.

Edited August 3, 2005 by Deeds

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Carrie' date='Aug 3 2005, 10:55 AM']Yes, I said all things are possible if God wills it.

You seem to forget that little part.

God does not and will never will same sex unions.

Your argument does not hold water Adam.
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Thank you for proving my argument! That is what I said originally and you dismissed it originally but now it just came out of your own mouth (err...keyboard).

All things are possible with God, but not all things are in the will of God.

God very well may not will a 108 year old man and a 16 year old girl to get married.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:33 AM']For argument's sake, with that logic alone, two 60 year olds would not be allowed to marry.
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That's what I was going to say...

[Jaime]

Hey you could be right about the interpretion Theo. I am trying to remember stuff from 20 years ago.

The cursory research that I'm doing during this discussion isn't backing me up at all!

stupid patch


grumble grumble grumble

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 10:07 AM']God very well may not will a 108 year old man and a 16 year old girl to get married.
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Then again, he may...

[Carrie]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 12:07 PM']Thank you for proving my argument! That is what I said originally and you dismissed it originally but now it just came out of your own mouth (err...keyboard).

All things are possible with God, but not all things are in the will of God.

God very well may not will a 108 year old man and a 16 year old girl to get married.
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He very well might, so I've not proved your point at all.

[Jaime]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Aug 3 2005, 10:10 AM']Then again, he may...
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Why do you have to bring up Anna Nicole Smith's prom picture?

[Brother Adam]

I've entirely proved my point, you just don't seem to know what it is.

I just spoke with a diocesian canon lawyer for the diocese of Grand Rapids, and she mentioned that the Church would very likely not approve the marriage 'of a 108 year old man to a 16 year old girl", but that it depends on the circumstances involved. She liked 'generational' idea and thought it was ideal, but agreed there are exceptional circumstances when two people of an even wider age gap could get married. She mentioned if a woman has gone though menopause they likely would not be admitted to marriage. She's going to write a more indepth email for me when she has time.