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[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

[quote name='Carrie' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:23 AM']The point is anything is possible with God.  Anything, regardless of age.
How is this an emotional response.

If we close ourselves off to the possibility, then we are not fully leaving ourselves open to the will of God.

Capice?
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I don't think either Brother Adam or myself is closing ourselves off to the possilbility, but we are looking as the Church looks at marriage.

Why does God call people to be married? To keep each other company? No. To bear children.

[Carrie]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:26 AM']I don't think either Brother Adam or myself is closing ourselves off to the possilbility, but we are looking as the Church looks at marriage.

Why does God call people to be married?  To keep each other company? No.  To bear children.
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And bear children they may, if God wills it.

[Noel's angel]

you don't know that! think of all the people that are told that they can't have children, young and old, and then think of the many who do go on and have children. My cousin was told she would never have children-she has two sons now (to Mrs Bro Adam)

[Brother Adam]

lol. Are any of you actually reading any of our responses? I seriously doubt it. You are getting frustrated and upset. You haven't offered any positive evidence beyond "Well I think its okay, and I think you're stupid for thinking its not okay". If you have some Catechism reference, or preferably canon law that does not in any circumstance restrict age, let's have it. I already told you I would be happy to change my position, but no one has offered anything beyond heated responses.

[Carrie]

Just as an aside...maybe this should be moved to the Debate Table?

[Jaime]

[quote name='Carrie' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:27 AM']And bear children they may, if God wills it.
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I didn't know you could do Yoda impressions...

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

When's the last time God used a pregnancy to fulfill a covenant?

[Noel's angel]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 03:28 PM']lol. Are any of you actually reading any of our responses? I seriously doubt it. You are getting frustrated and upset. You haven't offered any positive evidence beyond "Well I think its okay, and I think you're stupid for thinking its not okay". If you have some Catechism reference, or preferably canon law that does not in any circumstance restrict age, let's have it. I already told you I would be happy to change my position, but no one has offered anything beyond heated responses.
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1. no one is saying that anyone else is stupid
2. do you have any passage that says that people from different generations can't marry? Where does it say that a 20 year old cannot marry and 80 year old?

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

The purpose of marriage. It's logical.

[Noel's angel]

but they can still have children, even if they are in their 60s or 70s. In that case, people who are told can't have children shouldn't marry, even though I know many people who have been told this and have had children

[Carrie]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:28 AM']lol. Are any of you actually reading any of our responses? I seriously doubt it. You are getting frustrated and upset. You haven't offered any positive evidence beyond "Well I think its okay, and I think you're stupid for thinking its not okay". If you have some Catechism reference, or preferably canon law that does not in any circumstance restrict age, let's have it. I already told you I would be happy to change my position, but no one has offered anything beyond heated responses.
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I'm not frustrated or upset at all. Maybe you are reading too deeply into my responses because I'm cool as a cucmber.

And yes, I am reading through your responses. I also never implied that you were stupid.

All I am saying is that anything is possible through God and that we should not hinder His will.

Since you insist on me quoting from the Catechism (which I am entirely too lazy to do) why don't you show me where it restricts age? Yes, marriage is to bear children, but I've never heard a single thing about generational age restrictions.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

The Catechism says:

[quote] Marriage in the order of creation

1603 "The intimate community of life and love which constitutes the married state has been established by the Creator and endowed by him with its own proper laws.... God himself is the author of marriage."[87] The vocation to marriage is written in the very nature of man and woman as they came from the hand of the Creator. Marriage is not a purely human institution despite the many variations it may have undergone through the centuries in different cultures, social structures, and spiritual attitudes. These differences should not cause us to forget its common and permanent characteristics. Although the dignity of this institution is not transparent everywhere with the same clarity,[88] some sense of the greatness of the matrimonial union exists in all cultures. "The well-being of the individual person and of both human and Christian society is closely bound up with the healthy state of conjugal and family life."[89]

1604 God who created man out of love also calls him to love the fundamental and innate vocation of every human being. For man is created in the image and likeness of God who is himself love.[90] Since God created him man and woman, their mutual love becomes an image of the absolute and unfailing love with which God loves man. It is good, very good, in the Creator's eyes. And this love which God blesses is intended to be fruitful and to be realized in the common work of watching over creation: "And God blessed them, and God said to them: 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it.'"[91] [/quote]

The question now is: At what age is it physically impossible to bear children, without the help of God?

[Jaime]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:31 AM']The purpose of marriage.  It's logical.
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For argument's sake, with that logic alone, two 60 year olds would not be allowed to marry.

[Carrie]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:29 AM']I didn't know you could do Yoda impressions...
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Nifty, ain't it?

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Noel's angel' date='Aug 3 2005, 06:36 AM']I think you all know my answer
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ROTFLOL!

[Noel's angel]

yes, but it doesn't say 'old men shouldn't marry young women because they MIGHT not be able to have kids' It also says that in marriage, love is an image of the absolute and unfailing love God has for man.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Noel's angel' date='Aug 3 2005, 10:30 AM']1. no one is saying that anyone else is stupid
2. do you have any passage that says that people from different generations can't marry?  Where does it say that a 20 year old cannot marry and 80 year old?
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1. It's the tone, my friend, it is the tone.
2. I've found several articles where parish priests state this is a general rule, but am still trying to find the specific canon law. If you have something to support your side, share it. Shoot, I'll even give you something. Look in the 1600's of the Catechism. It isn't definitive, but it would be a start to trying to prove your point.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

I've supplied written support for my position.

[Carrie]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:37 AM']There's nothing i can say that will make you understand my position.
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I understand where you are coming from. I simply do not agree.

[Noel's angel]

bah, I'm not even going to bother anymore. If I hear my priest tell someone that he won't let them get married because there is a large age difference, I will admit my ignorance