age range

[Noel's angel]

yes, but it doesn't say 'old men shouldn't marry young women because they MIGHT not be able to have kids' It also says that in marriage, love is an image of the absolute and unfailing love God has for man.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Noel's angel' date='Aug 3 2005, 10:30 AM']1. no one is saying that anyone else is stupid
2. do you have any passage that says that people from different generations can't marry?  Where does it say that a 20 year old cannot marry and 80 year old?
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1. It's the tone, my friend, it is the tone.
2. I've found several articles where parish priests state this is a general rule, but am still trying to find the specific canon law. If you have something to support your side, share it. Shoot, I'll even give you something. Look in the 1600's of the Catechism. It isn't definitive, but it would be a start to trying to prove your point.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

I've supplied written support for my position.

[Carrie]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:37 AM']There's nothing i can say that will make you understand my position.
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I understand where you are coming from. I simply do not agree.

[Noel's angel]

bah, I'm not even going to bother anymore. If I hear my priest tell someone that he won't let them get married because there is a large age difference, I will admit my ignorance

[Brother Adam]

You believe all things are possible with God Carrie, so is the union of two people of the same sex in marriage possible with God?

[Theoketos]

OK EVERY BODY READ THIS AND SEE IF I AM CRAZY BEANS.

I think a good formula is The age of the older person (y) divided by half +7 = acceptable age to date (x).

So

Y/2 + 7 = X

EXAMPLES

15/2 + 7 = 14.5

20/2 +7 = 17

23/2 +7 = 18

30/2 +7= 22

40/2 +7= 27

Yeah, I know, I have too much time on my hands...

But see if this ever fails...and I do not think 15 year olds can really date in our society.

[Carrie]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:39 AM']You believe all things are possible with God Carrie, so is the union of two people of the same sex in marriage possible with God?
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Nice try with baiting Adam.


There is a difference. A union of people of the same sex is disordered and can never bear children.

The union between a man and woman of different ages is not disordered and can very well bear children.


Nice try though.

[Theoketos]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:11 AM']I don't think the point is about 'what you want' but rather what is right in the eyes of the Church. I believe canon law states that if there is no possibility for child-bearing there can be no sacramental marriage. But I'm not positive and am trying to look it up right now.
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BUZZZ WRONG

If you can not consumate the marriage, you can not be married. There is no impediment if you are infertile.

[Brother Adam]

It's not baiting, it's a valid point. You said with God all things are possible.

I'm stating that with God all things are possible, but are not in the will of God.

You are stating that I am somehow 'restricting God', but you yourself have just 'restricted God' in the same fashion.

[Carrie]

[quote name='Theoketos' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:43 AM']BUZZZ WRONG

If you can not consumate the marriage, you can not be married. There is no impediment if you are infertile.
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[Carrie]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:43 AM']It's not baiting, it's a valid point. You said with God all things are possible.

I'm stating that with God all things are possible, but are not in the will of God.

You are stating that I am somehow 'restricting God', but you yourself have just 'restricted God' in the same fashion.
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Not true. You are comparing apples and oranges.

I have not restricted God in the matter of same-sex unions. God has done that Himself.

Again, nice try.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Theoketos' date='Aug 3 2005, 10:43 AM']BUZZZ WRONG

If you can not consumate the marriage, you can not be married. There is no impediment if you are infertile.
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Quit assuming a self-righteous attitude with your "Wrong Buzz's".

If I'm wrong and it is perfectly acceptable for a 108 year old and a 12 year old to be wed, let's see the proof! Out with it!

[Theoketos]

Can. 1083 ß1 A man cannot validly enter marriage before the completion of his sixteenth year of age, nor a woman before the completion of her fourteenth year.

ß2 The Episcopal Conference may establish a higher age for the lawful celebration of marriage.

Can. 1084 ß1 [b]Antecedent and perpetual impotence to have sexual intercourse, whether on the part of the man or on that of the woman, whether absolute or relative, by its very nature invalidates marriage.[/b]

ß2 If the impediment of impotence is doubtful, whether the doubt be one of law or one of fact, the marriage is not to be prevented nor, while the doubt persists, is it to be declared null.

[b]ß3 Without prejudice to the provisions of can. 1098, sterility neither forbids nor invalidates a marriage. [/b]

[Jaime]

[quote name='Theoketos' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:43 AM']BUZZZ WRONG

If you can not consumate the marriage, you can not be married. There is no impediment if you are infertile.
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That's not entirely true. Couples do need permission to marry if they are physically unable to bear children. There are cases where the Church has not allowed couples to marry for that reason alone.

This is why "Are you willing to bring children into the world" is a non negotiable part of the vows.