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[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Carrie' date='Aug 3 2005, 10:45 AM']Not true.  You are comparing apples and oranges.

I have not restricted God in the matter of same-sex unions.  God has done that Himself.

Again, nice try.
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You are right, I am comparing apples with oranges, but you have told me it doesn't matter, because "With God [b]all[/b] things are possible." So are they, or are they not?

[Noel's angel]

why don't you prove it ISN'T ok?

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

[quote name='Noel's angel' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:47 AM']why don't you prove it ISN'T ok?
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I think hot stuff stated it quite nicely

[quote]That's not entirely true. Couples do need permission to marry if they are physically unable to bear children. There are cases where the Church has not allowed couples to marry for that reason alone.

This is why "Are you willing to bring children into the world" is a non negotiable part of the vows.[/quote]

Thank you hot stuff.

[Theoketos]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:46 AM']That's not entirely true.  Couples do need permission to marry if they  are physically unable to bear children.  There are cases where the Church has not allowed couples to marry for that reason alone. 

This is why "Are you willing to  bring children into the world" is a non negotiable part of the vows.
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Really? That does seem to fit with the Code of Canon Law I just quoted.

Usually, it is really hard to tell whether a couple is infertile or not with consumation. But to be fair, a Couple must indeed be open to life.

Psst here it is again

[b]ß3 Without prejudice to the provisions of can. 1098, sterility neither forbids nor invalidates a marriage. [/b]

Edited August 3, 2005 by Theoketos

[Noel's angel]

you are comparing it with same sex marriages-the Church makes its stance clear on same sex marriages, but I see nothing that says a man must only wed a woman who is less than x number of years older or younger than him

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Yes...but don't they also need to have the ability to have children?

[Noel's angel]

fair enough, if one partner cannot consumate tha marriage, i understand, but we cannot say that there is a limit as to what age a man can do this

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

But we can at what age men can, without it being a miracle, a man have a child.

[Theoketos]

By the way, You may not consumate a marriage (see Mary and Joseph), you just have to be able to do.

And

[b]1099 ß3 Without prejudice to the provisions of can. 1098, sterility neither forbids nor invalidates a marriage. [/b]

[Jaime]

[quote name='Theoketos' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:50 AM']Really? That does seem to fit with the Code of Canon Law I just quoted.

Usually, it is really hard to tell whether a couple is infertile or not with consumation. But to be fair,  a Couple must indeed be open to life.
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I believe, (and I need to go back and look up my references) that the Canon Law is in respect to couples that marry without the knowledge that one or both of the couple is infertile. That marrying under these pretenses does not invalidate or annul the marriage.

However, (and again I need to look this up) I do know that there are cases where couples were not allowed to marry because the fiance was wounded in war. They knew that they would never be able to bear children and the Church refused to allow the sacrament.

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[Noel's angel]

ok, i think what we are all trying to gt at is the fact that the marriage should be open to having children. However, what needs to be realised is that men of 80 CAN have children, and just because the chance is less, doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to marry. It isn't the same as a man who has had a vasectomy marrying

[Carrie]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 11:46 AM']You are right, I am comparing apples with oranges, but you have told me it doesn't matter, because "With God [b]all[/b] things are possible." So are they, or are they not?
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Yes, I said all things are possible if God wills it.

You seem to forget that little part.

God does not and will never will same sex unions.

Your argument does not hold water Adam.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Well stated, hot stuff.

[Brother Adam]

lol. I'm going to settle this (hopefully) and call a canon lawyer friend of mine who works on tribunals.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 3 2005, 09:53 AM']But we can at what age men can, without it being a miracle, a man have a child.
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Ask Strom Thurmond or James Doohan....