Protestantism is Heresy.

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what made you a believer in the first place?

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which one of us...you are talking to 2 hybrids

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both?

[phatcatholic]

proddy...............joey..............just call yourselves catholics then. the "hybrid" designation is terriblly misleading and belabors dialogue. since you two focus on ecumenical dialogue this should be of importance to you.

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calling myself catholic denies that part of my faith, I would rather be called a hybrid, or use the term loosely. Because I am catholic, but not in the same way as someone who was not a strong christian as a protestant. calling myself a catholic will often belabor a protestant. I want to be open to them.

I callmyself catholic btw, I just think they type of catholic would be hybrid. idk what im saying, im tired and greek kills me.

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[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Dec 5 2005, 07:16 AM']what made you a believer in the first place?
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be more specific and I will tell you

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 06:26 AM']calling myself catholic denies that part of my faith, I would rather be called a hybrid, or use the term loosely. Because I am catholic, but not in the same way as someone who was not a strong christian as a protestant. calling myself a catholic will often belabor a protestant. I want to be open to them.

I callmyself catholic btw, I just think they type of catholic would be hybrid. idk what im saying, im tired and greek kills me.
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i would say that calling yourself catholic denies only that part of your previous faith that [i]should[/i] be denied (for instance, the protestant beliefs that are contrary to catholicism). but, it also [i]maintains[/i] that part of your previous faith that catholicism can embrace (for instance, reverence for the bible, focus on a relationship with Jesus, evangelical spirit, call for unity, etc.). calling yourself "catholic" is not and should not be considered a denial of everything that is good from what you came from. i definitely would not avoid calling myself a catholic just so protestants would hear me out. if you worry about discrimination, then just call yourself a "Christian", but then express your "Catholic" views

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so, catholics have the "good" of protestants and whatever catholics dont exercise or promote is considered bad?

hybrid is for a book concept Im working on, where the influence of protestant worship/faith can be translated into catholicism while still holding onto original faith.

its not like I started a club or anythin yet

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 06:38 AM']so, catholics have the "good" of protestants and whatever catholics dont exercise or promote is considered bad? [/quote]
no, whatever is [i]contradictory[/i] to catholicism is "bad"

sola scriptura: "bad"
sola fide: "bad"
OSAS: "bad"

you get the idea....


[quote]hybrid is for a book concept Im working on, where the influence of protestant worship/faith can be translated into catholicism while still holding onto original faith.[/quote]
i would agree with this as long as the Church does not lose her distinctly Catholic identity and her doctrines are not watered-down in the process.


[quote]its not like I started a club or anythin yet
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praise God......

[The Joey-O]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Dec 5 2005, 07:16 AM']what made you a believer in the first place?
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This could take a while.

I was almost raised Lutheran, but my family moved to a different town and lost all their Lutheran friends right before I was to be baptized. When my family arrived in their new town (Charlottesville, VA, I believe), I attended the Methodist church. There, my dad and brothers had a sort of conversion experience to Christianity (it's hard to say their faith status. They act like decent people most of the time, but they don't do much with their faith anymore. This "conversion" is just what I've been told. I was 2 or 3 when it happened.) Well, anyways, my family was then all Christian (my mom was raised Methodist, so she didn't really need to do anything, I guess. My brothers and my dad were all then baptized. I wasn't.

My parents got a divorce soon thereafter. My brothers went with my dad (their half-brothers. His kids, not my mom's.) I went with my mom. We stopped attending church accept for on occassion when she'd try a new one out for a while. The faith that was passed down to me was largely secular-humanism. I was an atheist. I eventually became a nihilist, because I realized how stupid you'd have to be to be an optimistic atheist.

Then, my mom died. She had Sclura Derma, so it wasn't unexpected. Well, she became religious at the end of her life again. She started attending regularly and I actually noticed a change in her. I guess that's what sparked me to reconsider Christianity. The problem was: I was very much trained up in science. I was 13 and could quote some of Einstine's theorums for his theory of relativity. (I wanted to be a theoretical astrophysicist. I was beginning to grasp the physics, though the math was a little beyond me.) At the same time, I felt miserable and alone. My dad was kind of abusive, so my church (Worthington Christian Church) was the only place that I really felt loved and accepted. I decided, then, that it was better to believe a lie that makes me happy, then to go on being miserable. After making that decision, I was then tormented for about a year with fairly constant "attacks". Call it demonic or call it psychological, I don't care.(It's just not worth arguing) I'd wake up with cuts and bruises and other strange markings. I went a month with little to no sleep. It wasn't until I started leaving the radio on a Christain old-timey music chanel that I was able to get any sleep. Well, after that, I was convinced that there was definitely demons. Demons meant that there was definately a God....

After about 3 years of being in the church, I was a full-fledged fundy! They convinced me that all the science I had learned was lies, etc. It helped that there was a recent movement within theoretical astrophysics that placed the church at 650,000 years old or younger. I got baptized then, and became a Christian, though a fundy Christian.

Then, I went to Bible College. I was introduced to scholarly, conservative, Evangelical theology, Neo-Orthodox theology, liberal theology and what can only be called "Amost Catholic, but Not Quite Weedmanism". Also, I started attending a small, Charismatic house church. I quickly became a Weedmanite and a Charismatic. This created an polarity within me. I was pulled to both for different reasons. Charismatics acknowledged an active spiritual life and Weedmanism was intelligent. I spent 2 years reconciling the two. Ultimately, I became a Weedmanite first and a Charismatic, second.

Then, I met my fiance. She was a Catholic, which I was fine with, because of my strong Catholic influences. Her dad wanted nothing mroe than for me to die or to convert. We, however, agreed not to try to convert eachother, but to help eachother in our faith. We actually had a very similar faith, since I was very Roman Catholic influenced. My favorite theologian and philosopher was JPII.

Then, I met revprodeji. He was pretty anti-Catholic, but Weedman and I (I really had a small role) tried and succeeded in making him positive-nuetral toward Catholicism. A few weeks later, he started talking like, we have to retrun. Give Rome the authority and what not. I wasn't too thrilled with it, but the more we talked, the more I was convinced. I met some Catholics online who helped and talked with my fiance's preist. Also, Dr. Weedman's wife helped a lot. She's Catholic (and arguably the better theologian of the 2).

That brings me to today. I'm in RCIA. I'll be confirmed on the Easter Vigil.

Yeah. This is long.

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[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Dec 5 2005, 07:43 AM']no, whatever is [i]contradictory[/i] to catholicism is "bad"

sola scriptura: "bad"
sola fide: "bad"
OSAS: "bad"

you get the idea....
i would agree with this as long as the Church does not lose her distinctly Catholic identity and her doctrines are not watered-down in the process.
praise God......
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most protestants use the wesylan quad if they think for themselves, or their own denoms teaching otherwise. Sola scripture is not used much, scripture prima is more often used, but catholics can play that game also.

sola fide..I heard it went extinct with disco..read the joint declaration..

most protestants dont believe in OSAS, remember Im an open theist. OSAS doesnt work there. Ironically it works within thomists..

[phatcatholic]

<sigh>

you never cease to amaze me

i'm off to bed

pax christi,
phatcatholic

[The Joey-O]

To post 139: Yeah. Revprodeji was on the fast track as a Protestant. He was personally discipled by one of the biggest names in Evangelical Protestantism, Gregory Boyd. He had a ticket wherever he wanted to go.

[The Joey-O]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Dec 5 2005, 07:54 AM']<sigh>

you never cease to amaze me

i'm off to bed

pax christi,
phatcatholic
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What do you mean?

[Ziggamafu]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Dec 4 2005, 08:33 PM']In our own time the impact of John Paul II and Mother Teresa stands out in my mind. I cant' think of any protestants who would seem to be in this class.

When I read your post a few names popped into my mind. But I don't really think it's fair to compare. But for what its worth:

I would like to see a catholic with the impact of a cs lewis
St Augustine
St Thomas
St Gregory the Great

or the devotions of a Max luciado.
St Faustina
St Teresa of Avila
St Francis de Sales

Or someone who steps up fast yet understandable like a Greg Boyd.
Cardinal Newman
Chesterton
Irenaeus

A historian with no prejudice like Mark Noll,
Christopher Dawson

or an eccesilogy ecumenist like Braaten
Dulles
Johann Mohler

a pneumatologist like Yancy.
St Basil
Kolbe

I mean really as a hybrid I see this but pentacostals for what they lack in generally everything they slaughter in their awareness of the spirt and the gifts that He blesses with.
St Benedict
St John of the Cross
Padre Pio

Besides L.T.J. who steped up against the Jesus Seminar?
Countless Catholic scholars have engaged the Jesus Seminar quacks.
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hey...that's AWESOME!!! I don't suppose you could give me the best (most commended / famous) book by each of these people??? Pleeeeeeeeease?

[The Joey-O]

Here's an interesting idea: what beliefs did you have to turn your back on (that you really believed) when you became Catholic:

1) Charismatic Apostolic Authority
2) Soul Slumber
3) Women Clergy
4) Birth Control

And, I'm still learning!

[Era Might]

FWIW

[quote]VATICAN CITY, NOV. 8, 2005 (Zenit.org).- The Holy See says that it is not possible to belong simultaneously to the Catholic Church and to a Protestant community.

A communiqué published today by Vatican spokesman Joaquín Navarro Valls clarified news which appeared in the German press, according to which Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger allegedly agreed that exegete Klaus Berger of Heidelberg was at the same time a Catholic and a Protestant.

According to this information, Berger, a Catholic, by participating in 1968 in the Protestant Supper became a "member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church."

German press articles claimed that Cardinal Ratzinger, now Benedict XVI, had precise knowledge of "the matter in its formal aspects" and "raised no objections."

"This assertion is false," Vatican spokesman Navarro Valls said today. The Pope had "no knowledge of a dual confessional identity."

Not having this information, "the cardinal had no reason to take up a position on the question of Mr. Berger's confessional identity and, indeed, he never pronounced himself on the subject," affirmed the director of the Vatican press office.

The Vatican note states that the norms of canon law, which exclude simultaneous membership in the Catholic Church and a Protestant community, "remain in full force without exception, and are therefore also valid in this case."

"The Church cannot obtain any dispensation from this rule," stated the communiqué, "not even in the sacrament of penance."[/quote]

There is a legitimate sense in which a convert can, as I said before, retain the confessional emphasis of his former tradition. But still, one must be careful first of all to subject any and all emphasis to the contents of the Catholic faith, and also, I think, to be careful about expressing this continuity in too thoughtless a manner, lest Catholics who do not come from a convert background are scandalized by a perceived relativism and undue homogenization. There has been a lot of ecumenical misdirection the past 40 years in the particular Churches, and I think we need to respect the sensibilities of those who have had to endure it.

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titles are nice, membership cards are cool..but roots run deep

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='The Joey-O' date='Dec 5 2005, 07:59 AM']Here's an interesting idea: what beliefs did you have to turn your back on (that you really believed) when you became Catholic:

1) Charismatic Apostolic Authority
2) Soul Slumber
3) Women Clergy
4) Birth Control

And, I'm still learning!
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I haven' t even heard of 2 of those... soul slumber? interesting.

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I should be a militant!!!! 4 real, is there a test I can take? wanna see my books?