Tlm At Steubenville

[friendofJPII]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1408145' date='Oct 23 2007, 07:09 PM']Why is it so hard to believe that the higher ups at FUS would resent the [i]forma extraordinaria[/i]? How many charismatic, ad libbing, "spontaneous" type priests dig the TLM? I've never met any.

Having been at FUS for five years I can testify that the Easter Vigil Mass is considered by the powers that be to be the pinnacle of liturgical worship. This is a taste of how it goes down:

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naH8r3b7zAg"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naH8r3b7zAg[/url]

Without passing any judgments on anyone or anything I simply offer this as factual data which may help some understand why some people in charge over there would resist the [i]forma extraordinaria[/i].[/quote]


Do you really know what is going on behind the scenes? Even if you do, out of charity you should keep quiet and pray. Not all charasmatics are hostile to the TLM. I'm not. The same Holy Spirit that is at the Easter Vigil is the same Holy Spirit that is at TLM.

[homeschoolmom]

[Deus te Amat]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1408148' date='Oct 23 2007, 08:13 PM'][/quote]









*sigh* i dont care WHY they wont have the mass... its how they are treating the students that is bugging the bajeebers out of me

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1408140' date='Oct 23 2007, 07:05 PM']That's true, but I feel the pro-life cause is most urgent at this time.[/quote]
Amen. It would seem we agree on this, thanks for the reminder.

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1408140' date='Oct 23 2007, 07:05 PM']It's been a few years since I graduated but they only had about 15 ppl there on a given Sat. True, there were some ppl who really couldn't go, but I think more could have made the sacrafice and went (at least twice a semester).[/quote]
Yeah, as I recall the ministry needs perpetual advertising otherwise the numbers will start to slowly decline. My first semester I was involved in "advertising" and learned that a great many of the newer students didn't even know about the ministry. We used to hound chapel ministry to get announcements but I think they made a policy against this kind of thing to keep announcements down.

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1408140' date='Oct 23 2007, 07:05 PM']But anyway, my point is instead of arguing over liturgical issues that I feel are rather petty (FUS masses are wonderful, regardless of style) we could be showing Christ's love and mercy to the world, in a variety of ways.[/quote]
The first couple pages of Pope Benedict's book "The Spirit of the Liturgy" would express how I might respond to this. For now I would like to agree to disagree.

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1408140' date='Oct 23 2007, 07:05 PM']I'm just saying we need to prioritize, if the Tridentine mass in not yet offered at FUS, go ahead and work for it, there is no need to get overly argumentative or divisive.[/quote]
I apologize if I have been overly argumentative or divisive. I'll try to tone it down and check myself.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1408147' date='Oct 23 2007, 07:12 PM']Do you really know what is going on behind the scenes? Even if you do, out of charity you should keep quiet and pray. Not all charasmatics are hostile to the TLM. I'm not. The same Holy Spirit that is at the Easter Vigil is the same Holy Spirit that is at TLM.[/quote]
haha, "keep quiet", that's messed. To be honest I haven't cared too much about the goings on up on campus of late. I tend to be a pretty blunt individual; would you like me to approach the powers that be on campus (I've been avoiding using names out of charity) and essentially get an interview about this? Not sure if anyone would be so obliging, but you never know. It would be fascinating anyway.

[friendofJPII]

[quote name='hyperdulia again' post='1408146' date='Oct 23 2007, 07:11 PM']it has taken days for me to realize that extraordinary form is a reference to the old mass..i'm right, right?[/quote]


ooohh, hyper I love your avatar! Makes me want to go to heaven asap!

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1408130' date='Oct 23 2007, 08:58 PM']I'm not trying to assert anything in particular by saying this but I find it phat that the school that Aloysius attends started having the [i]forma extraordinaria[/i] right away. [/quote]

We didn't ask anyone's permission. There were priests here who wanted to say it, we told the sacristen what we would need, and made plans to get anything they didn't have available. And then those priests, perfectly within their rights, began saying private masses. And us laity, perfectly within our rights, organized an email list through which we spread the word amongst ourselves when those private masses would be. We've had daily mass for quite a while now, though it's harder to find priests who are available to say it on Sundays.

Are there priests at Steubenville willing to say the mass? The private mass approach may have been a better way to go.

Oh, and Summorum Pontificum applies to everyone in the Church; those who are pastors or rectors of a Church have the authority to schedule the mass publically, and are strongly encouraged to do so if there is a group who will attend regularly (ie a stable group). If they continue to deny this request, a complaint ought to be sent to the Ecclesia Dei Comission. They have no right in the Church to do this, absolutely no right. If a group of the faithful wishes to regularly attend, it is the duty of the canonical pastor of the parish to procure the means for them to be able to.

Hopefully when the Vatican issues its clarification on Summorum Pontificum, that will make it clearer that what FUS is currently doing--which is trampling on the rights of its lay students (and priests, if it is preventing the priests there from saying it) is absolutely contrary to the mind of the Pope and the Church on this issue, and is absolutely wrong. They have no right, canonically, to forbid the celebration of the extraordinary rite if everything is in place for it to be done correctly.

Summorum Pontificum is all about the rights of the laity and the individual priests; what is going on with FUS is the absolute trampling on canonically established rights of laity and priests and it should not be defended, no matter what you think of Charismatics, no matter what you think of the school, you must recognize that this is the illicit supression of a legitimately authorized rite. It would be the same if they were refusing the ordinary form of the rite to a group of students and priests who wished to have it, exactly the same; any group who will stably attend one or the other form of the rite has the canonical right to do so if it is possible.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1408167' date='Oct 23 2007, 07:42 PM']We didn't ask anyone's permission. There were priests here who wanted to say it, we told the sacristen what we would need, and made plans to get anything they didn't have available. And then those priests, perfectly within their rights, began saying private masses. And us laity, perfectly within our rights, organized an email list through which we spread the word amongst ourselves when those private masses would be. We've had daily mass for quite a while now, though it's harder to find priests who are available to say it on Sundays.

Are there priests at Steubenville willing to say the mass? The private mass approach may have been a better way to go.

Oh, and Summorum Pontificum applies to everyone in the Church; those who are pastors or rectors of a Church have the authority to schedule the mass publically, and are strongly encouraged to do so if there is a group who will attend regularly (ie a stable group). If they continue to deny this request, a complaint ought to be sent to the Ecclesia Dei Comission. They have no right in the Church to do this, absolutely no right. If a group of the faithful wishes to regularly attend, it is the duty of the canonical pastor of the parish to procure the means for them to be able to.

Hopefully when the Vatican issues its clarification on Summorum Pontificum, that will make it clearer that what FUS is currently doing--which is trampling on the rights of its lay students (and priests, if it is preventing the priests there from saying it) is absolutely contrary to the mind of the Pope and the Church on this issue, and is absolutely wrong. They have no right, canonically, to forbid the celebration of the extraordinary rite if everything is in place for it to be done correctly.

Summorum Pontificum is all about the rights of the laity and the individual priests; what is going on with FUS is the absolute trampling on canonically established rights of laity and priests and it should not be defended, no matter what you think of Charismatics, no matter what you think of the school, you must recognize that this is the illicit supression of a legitimately authorized rite. It would be the same if they were refusing the ordinary form of the rite to a group of students and priests who wished to have it, exactly the same; any group who will stably attend one or the other form of the rite has the canonical right to do so if it is possible.[/quote]
If there was a platonic wub smiley I'd be posting it right now.

[Romans1513]

[quote name='Deus_te_Amat' post='1408086' date='Oct 23 2007, 08:18 PM']Its not about the mass... its about the fact that Fr. Z told over 150 students that they had to get Mental Help because they wanted the TLM[/quote]

Well, I kind of want to just stay on the sidelines for this one, although upset by the actions of the FUS authorities. However, I can't believe no one has corrected this yet. You took this waaaaaay wrong. First of all, it wasn't Fr. Z. Second of all, the priest in question was very wrong in saying that, but he only said it to ONE student, and for all we know there could be a deeper situation there. This is what it says on Fr. Z's website:

[quote]As a matter of fact, the person organizing this petition was told by a priest in the chapel to seek professional counseling (evidently a love for the TLM is a mental illness).[/quote]

[Deus te Amat]

Sorry for the misconstruency....

but the fact that ANY priest would say that...

[mortify]

Just go to Rutgers

[TotusTuusMaria]

What school does Aloysius go to?

Does anyone know how Christendom or Ave Maria took this? Is anyone offering the TLM there?

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Raphael' post='1408125' date='Oct 23 2007, 05:52 PM'].if I wake up that early, I get very violently ill.[/quote]
you might wanna pray to get over that. babies wake up at all hours of the night, ya know

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Romans1513' post='1408210' date='Oct 23 2007, 07:23 PM']for all we know there could be a deeper situation there.[/quote]
that applies to the whole situation, frankly.

[TotusTuusMaria]

Georgetown is having a TLM. Shocking, but great!

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='mortify' post='1408301' date='Oct 24 2007, 12:01 AM']Just go to Rutgers [/quote]
? Why?

Is there an extraordinary form Mass at Rutgers I don't know about? I live kind of close-ish.

[Maggyie]

[quote name='hyperdulia again' post='1408146' date='Oct 23 2007, 09:11 PM']it has taken days for me to realize that extraordinary form is a reference to the old mass..i'm right, right?[/quote]

You're right

[Hashbrowns]

honestly, some of us *are* living in Steubenville right now, and if people really want the TLM mass, they're awfully quiet about it. I'm kinda against the whole idea of 'oh, 3 people gave us their story, let's write generalizations about the entire university!' Yeah, some bad things happen here. There's no way they should have been told to get mental help, especially in light of the Pope's order. those things shouldn't have happened with households. but, we're people too. if you like charismatic (which does have it's place), come to franciscan. If you like to be really traditional, go someplace traditional. On a side note, I've learned a lot about tradition here at Franciscan, so it's not like we're sitting here just throwing everything out the window and making stuph up. we're not a university, we're students and professors and friars and lunch ladies and janitors and INDIVIDUALS.

[Apotheoun]

I will always cherish my time at FUS: I enjoyed my classes, and I made many good friends, and the lousy state of the Roman liturgy there was pivotal in bring about my change of ritual Church.

I have been happily Byzantine since 2005.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1408391' date='Oct 24 2007, 06:01 AM']I will always cherish my time at FUS: I enjoyed my classes, and I made many good friends, and the lousy state of the Roman liturgy there was pivotal in bring about my change of ritual Church.

I have been happily Byzantine since 2005.[/quote]
Gosh, gee really? I don't think I have ever heard you mention this... ever... not once.