Tlm At Steubenville

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1408015' date='Oct 23 2007, 05:58 PM']I might have considered Christendom or something.[/quote]

That would have been different.... Can you imagine? lol


[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1408034' date='Oct 23 2007, 06:21 PM']Does Christendom have an Extraordinary Form?[/quote]

No. Not so far as I'm aware. They've had the Forma Ordinaria for, like, ever said in Latin---and its extremely reverent. I'd be surprised if fault was found with it. Now with Motu Proprio things may have changed--I haven't been there since 2002, though. lol

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1408302' date='Oct 23 2007, 11:01 PM']Does anyone know how Christendom or Ave Maria took this? Is anyone offering the TLM there?[/quote]

[Lil Red]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1408403' date='Oct 24 2007, 05:55 AM']Gosh, gee really? I don't think I have ever heard you mention this... ever... not once. [/quote]

[friendofJPII]

Where were the private masses held? Weren't they supposed to rebuild CTK anyway? With increased enrollment the chapel must be way too overcrowded now. Like I said, it would be nice if they would offer the TLM occassionally, but we must remember that they are a university of higher education not a parish, and it is unreasonable to expect them to offer every type of mass possible or match everyone's liturgical whim. If there are as many people who desire the TLM as is stated they should have no problem carpooling in the meantime. Personally, I was touched by FUS masses, not so much by the liturgical style, which did vary, but rather by the fervency of the prayers, the dynamics of the preaching, and the Christ-centered liturgy. If the Holy Spirit is present, He's there, and you know it, it doesn't matter if one is singing Gregrorian Chant or Shout to the Lord.

Edited October 24, 2007 by friendofJPII

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1408639' date='Oct 24 2007, 02:14 PM']Where were the private masses held? In the CTK chapel or another chapel. Weren't they supposed to rebuild CTK anyway? With increased enrollment the chapel must be way too big by now.[/quote]
The chapel has been too small for years (possibly decades) which is why they now have so many Masses in the gymnasium. I don't know when you were here last but I assume you were here after they had constructed the large gymnasium. Since then they've built a large science building, several large dorms (they just finished two more this year), they've supposedly purchased the "projects", they did some adding on to St. Thomas More hall, they acquired and renovated some buildings below the hill (now called lower campus and used as dorms and a coffee shop), they expanded and radically renovated the J.C.W. center... I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff. As far as I know there is nothing about a new chapel in the works.
They often take away the altar and use the chapel as a performance hall and I have heard a rumor (nothing more than that) that they were talking about building a new chapel and using the current one as a hall of some sort since tearing it down would mean changing the FUS logo. Since this was a rumor I heard among students it is likely to be just that. It sounds a bit strange to me anyway so I doubt if it’s true.
It would seem that they must eventually build a new chapel unless the gymnasium is to become the regular church which would no doubt conflict with campus sports.

[Laudate_Dominum]

I just heard from someone that they want to build a new chapel at some point and turn the current chapel into a welcome center or something like that. I believe the source on this but they didn't know all the details.

[friendofJPII]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1408666' date='Oct 24 2007, 03:16 PM']I just heard from someone that they want to build a new chapel at some point and turn the current chapel into a welcome center or something like that. I believe the source on this but they didn't know all the details.[/quote]

I was quite upset that they re-renovated the JC cener since I was there last. They had just renovated it while I was there...I hope that was not funded with my donation $. I honestly don't trust the university to use funds wisely, which is why I'm thinking of setting up my own private small scholarship fund.

Edited October 24, 2007 by friendofJPII

[TotusTuusMaria]

There are new updates on Fr. Z's blog.

FUS is providing transportation to a TLM off campus.

The comments about seeking counseling were never made. That was false.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1408673' date='Oct 24 2007, 03:29 PM']There are new updates on Fr. Z's blog.

FUS is providing transportation to a TLM off campus.

The comments about seeking counseling were never made. That was false.[/quote]

[chelsea]

see? now i think everyone needs to calm down and stop hating on franciscan.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='friendofJPII' post='1408639' date='Oct 24 2007, 04:14 PM']Where were the private masses held? Weren't they supposed to rebuild CTK anyway? With increased enrollment the chapel must be way too overcrowded now. Like I said, it would be nice if they would offer the TLM occassionally, but we must remember that they are a university of higher education not a parish, and it is unreasonable to expect them to offer every type of mass possible or match everyone's liturgical whim. If there are as many people who desire the TLM as is stated they should have no problem carpooling in the meantime. Personally, I was touched by FUS masses, not so much by the liturgical style, which did vary, but rather by the fervency of the prayers, the dynamics of the preaching, and the Christ-centered liturgy. If the Holy Spirit is present, He's there, and you know it, it doesn't matter if one is singing Gregrorian Chant or Shout to the Lord.[/quote]
Actually, it is their obligation to respond by offering the Extraordinary Rite if there is a group who wishes to attend. That is the status the extra-ordinary rite has right now in the Church, the laity have a right to it, and priests have a right to say it.

Was there a capable priest involved in this petition? If there was, then this group's canonically established rights were trampled upon here. If not, then there was no authority to "refuse" the request, it was obligatory for them to attempt to find the means, if necessary by contacting the local ordinary or even the Ecclesia Dei Commission. It would seem that by providing transportation, they have provided the means, so if there were no priests available at Fransiscan itself who wished to offer the mass, then this seems like the adequate solution.

I don't understand where anyone gets the idea that a college/university is not affected by the provisions laid out by Summorum Pontificum, it is obligatory for them to provide it. This is not just a different type of liturgy like a charismatic or polka mass, if it were then that's true, they would have no obligation to provide such a thing even if the whole campus wanted it. The Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, however, has been established as the canonical rite of any faithful who want to attend it.

[TotusTuusMaria]

I heard that FUS is not providing the TLM because they do not want to do so in the gym. They think it would be better for it to be at the Church off Campus, so they plan to provide the transportation.

[Aloysius]

that's fine if they're expecting such a high turnout that it could not be done in the chapel.

what I take most issue with is the various assertions that a university/college is not affected by Summorum Pontificum, or that they were not obligated to respond favorably to this request.

[TotusTuusMaria]

Edited October 24, 2007 by TotusTuusMaria

[Laudate_Dominum]

Regardless of the intent behind forbidding the Mass on campus I am glad about the St. Peter's approach because they actually have a high altar and communion rail. The [i]forma extraordinaria[/i] would be a mess in that chapel on campus. It might be a suitable building for that Protestant preaching challenge they have once a year, but pulling off an extraordinary Catholic Mass would be difficult. They'd have to dismantle all the band equipment up by the table altar for example.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1408673' date='Oct 24 2007, 02:29 PM']There are new updates on Fr. Z's blog.

FUS is providing transportation to a TLM off campus.

The comments about seeking counseling were never made. That was false.[/quote]
which is why i was encouraging people not to gossip or spread rumors.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1408696' date='Oct 24 2007, 04:20 PM']which is why i was encouraging people not to gossip or spread rumors.[/quote]
I never believed the goofy counseling thing anyway. FUS isn't one of those freaky liberal places that would do something like that. There are other things related to this thread that are still perfectly valid in spite of the possible field trip thing.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1408697' date='Oct 24 2007, 03:25 PM']I never believed the goofy counseling thing anyway. FUS isn't one of those freaky liberal places that would do something like that. There are other things related to this thread that are still perfectly valid in spite of the possible field trip thing.[/quote]
but again, i ask, what purpose does it serve to discuss these things on a public phorum where: 1. many here have no direct knowledge or experiences at what's happening at FUS, and b. people are scandalized by what is posted which can lead to loss of faith.

so what's more important, discussing things we may have no knowledge about, or not scandalizing people?

[Lil Red]

btw, i am not saying that there might not be legitimate gripes that people have with FUS.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1408706' date='Oct 24 2007, 04:45 PM']but again, i ask, what purpose does it serve to discuss these things[/quote]
I personally have no problem with purposeless discussion and think that at times a topic can have value without necessarily having purpose.

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1408706' date='Oct 24 2007, 04:45 PM']...on a public phorum where: 1. many here have no direct knowledge or experiences at what's happening at FUS,[/quote]
I would guess that most threads on this site only pertain to a subset of the forum members so I don't think that this fact alone means that a topic should not be discussed. FUS is a public institution and quite a few phatmassers are affiliated with the school in some way.

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1408706' date='Oct 24 2007, 04:45 PM']and b. people are scandalized by what is posted which can lead to loss of faith.[/quote]
That would be messed up but the only thing in this thread so far that I found to be a bit overboard was the counseling rumour which has thankfully been undermined. Besides, this was just a bit of information from Fr. Z's blog and wasn't something that some mean phatmasser made up. I think it was worth discussing even if only to eventually learn that it is most probably nonsense. If anything this thread has helped to descandalize and edify those who may have been scandalized and disedified by the report of the counseling horror.

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1408706' date='Oct 24 2007, 04:45 PM']so what's more important, discussing things we may have no knowledge about, or not scandalizing people?[/quote]
I don't think that discussing things that we have no knowledge about is all that important more often than not so I would definitely chose the second option.
I would only add that if people on phatmass only discussed things that they had real knowledge about the boards would be a lot thinner. That's boring. Besides, there are a variety of people involved in this particular discussion and combined we have a great deal of knowledge perhaps. It is a discussion in any case.
If there were personal attacks on FUS personages I would probably be inclined to join in the condemnation of this thread, but thus far it seems to be not much of a thread at all and I see little need of trying to demonize this discussion or moralize (or demoralize) the participants into silence.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1408707' date='Oct 24 2007, 04:45 PM']btw, i am not saying that there might not be legitimate gripes that people have with FUS.[/quote]
Sure, and I tend to agree that allowing a discussion to degenerate into venting is not that polite or appropriate. Perhaps we have a different perception of what this entails?