Passover One Week Away

[Winchester]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1269630494' post='2080749']
If I am ignorant, Please illustrate the page number 1-36 in which I display ignorance on this topic. Support your claim with solid facts that can be established so that your words are not a clanging cymbal or Gong clouding the thread with personal perceptional traditional rhetoric.

God Bless
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Todd, I'm not talking about your crazy "study", which I will never, ever, read. I'm talking about your shorter posts. I don't read the long ones in depth because a quick skim detects delusion easily.

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='Winchester' date='26 March 2010 - 11:28 AM' timestamp='1269620917' post='2080602']
Know your Catholic history entirely, not the black legend sort.

There's more to the story and Todd's either dishonest or ignorant.
[/quote]

Is it legend that the Catholic church sold indulgences? Is it legend that church leaders have molested children? Is it legend that the Church killed millions of people who did not share the Church recognized perceptional view of their version of truth? Is it legend that men were put to death and excommunicated from the church for believing the earth was round VS flat?

The church was made to look pretty on it's exterior, but it's inside/history is filled with corruption. Are we to ignore that just to enjoy the exterior beauty?

[url="/passage/?search=Revelation+17:4&version=NKJV"][b]Revelation 17:4[/b][/url]
The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden [b]cup[/b] full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication.

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='Winchester' date='26 March 2010 - 02:13 PM' timestamp='1269630824' post='2080754']
Todd, I'm not talking about your crazy "study", which I will never, ever, read. I'm talking about your shorter posts. I don't read the long ones in depth because a quick skim detects delusion easily.
[/quote]

Please illustrate my delusion with evidence of truth. Please provide more than opinion and you may be able to open my eyes to my delusion. Your opinion is not enough to sway anothers opinion. present evidence of my delusion by presenting the solid testimony Jesus promised you should you be a true follower of God.

Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='kamiller42' date='25 March 2010 - 11:46 PM' timestamp='1269578780' post='2080343']
Todd, where can I find the truth? Please show me the truth.
[/quote]

This is a written representation of truth regarding the fulfilment of Prophecy in concert with Catholic doctrine concerning the Passover Lamb and the crucifixion.

[url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"]http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf[/url]

If you want to see the full truth. keep the Laws of God and you will see God. Even better you will be able to talk to God and he will answer back.

God Bless

[Winchester]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 03:13 PM' timestamp='1269630839' post='2080755']
Is it legend that the Catholic church sold indulgences?[/quote]
Read some good history books, Toddster. Then you'll understand the reality of that period in history. Quit reading books by people who got their divinity doctorate from a mail order college.

[quote] Is it legend that church leaders have molested children?[/quote]
You said I was arguing it was okay. So you're intentionally misleading people?

[quote] Is it legend that the Church killed millions of people [/quote]
Yes. Not millions and not the Church. Read. History.
[quote] Is it legend that men were put to death and excommunicated from the church for believing the earth was round VS flat?[/quote]
Yes.
[quote]
The church was made to look pretty on [s]it's [/s] its exterior, but [s]it's [/s] its inside/history is filled with corruption. [/quote]
Ask God for an Angel of Proofreading, Mister Prophet.

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='Winchester' date='26 March 2010 - 02:19 PM' timestamp='1269631167' post='2080766']
Read some good history books, Toddster. Then you'll understand the reality of that period in history. Quit reading books by people who got their divinity doctorate from a mail order college.


You said I was arguing it was okay. So you're intentionally misleading people?


Yes. Not millions and not the Church. Read. History.

Yes.

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Please illustrate a page number 1-36 where I am misleading people.

The current documented numbers of people killed by the church are a short cry from the truth.

Are the good history books you are referring too the ones where Rome tries to hide the their past history? Rome had a major role in the destruction of many jews during world war 2.. what was the current recognized number of jews killed in the hullocost These numbers do not include the middle ages or even Romes early struggles to define orthodoxy to establish their version of perceptional truth.


[url="http://history1900s....aust/bldied.htm"]http://history1900s....aust/bldied.htm[/url]


God Bless

Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33

[Nihil Obstat]

I'm going to weigh back in on this, just very briefly, to share a moderately paraphrased quote by Pope St. Clement I in First Epistle to the Church at Corinth, A.D. 96:


"shut [...] up".


Here's a link if you don't believe me. It's definitely in there. [url="http://www.fisheaters.com/apostolicsuccession.html"]My link[/url]


Have a great day though; I'm quite serious when I say that.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 04:13 PM' timestamp='1269630839' post='2080755']
Is it legend that the Catholic church sold indulgences? [color="#8B0000"]Some [i]members [/i]of the church did this. It is not a policy of the Church.[/color] Is it legend that church leaders have molested children? [color="#8B0000"]Have some members of the Church committed this sin - yep.[/color]Is it legend that the Church killed millions of people who did not share the Church recognized perceptional view of their version of truth? [color="#8B0000"]Nope.[/color] Is it legend that men were put to death and excommunicated from the church for believing the earth was round VS flat? [color="#8B0000"]Nope.[/color]

The church was made to look pretty on it's exterior, but it's inside/history is filled with corruption. Are we to ignore that just to enjoy the exterior beauty? [color="#8B0000"]Do you forget that ALL of us have a fallen nature and sin - last I checked Christ came for sinners.[/color]
[url="/passage/?search=Revelation+17:4&version=NKJV"][b]Revelation 17:4[/b][/url]
The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden [b]cup[/b] full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. [color="#8B0000"]Nice quote but it referring to the Roman Empire, not the Church.[/color][/quote]

[todd_vetter33]

I came here to the debate table to discuss and debate the information which I share at this link.

[url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics.pdf[/url]

Instead of debate on the topic presented, I am greeted with indignation and opinions with out receiving any evidence to support the view that goes contrary to what I have come to share and debate. How can one claim that what I have come to share is false if they do not take the time to review it and illustrate the area of testimony that is not presenting a truth based on the evidence presented? How can they make a better case with out providing evidence of greater truth?

Will there be a real debate that will lead to the discovery of truth for me or for you; or will we simply see more animated graphix and opinion? You are group of people self proclaimed to be the pillars and source of truth. Please show me the truth by illustrating where I am not preseting a truth on pages 1-36 of this shared study. help me see the light of truth that God has given you.

God Bless

Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 04:39 PM' timestamp='1269632358' post='2080778']


The current documented numbers of people killed by the church are a short cry from the truth. [color="#8B0000"]You are right, they are totally exxagerated and inflated by people who rely on the interest and not actual scholarship.[/color]

Are the good history books you are referring too the ones where Rome tries to hide the their past history? [color="#8B0000"]No, we are referring to people with actual degrees who actually know what they are talking about.[/color] Rome had a major role in the destruction of many jews during world war 2.. what was the current recognized number of jews killed in the hullocost [color="#8B0000"]That is a total and unmitigated lie.[/color]

[todd_vetter33]

I came here to the debate table to discuss and debate the information which I share at this link.

[url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"][color="#284b72"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics.pdf[/color][/url]

Instead of debate on the topic presented, I am greeted with indignation and opinions with out receiving any evidence to support the view that goes contrary to what I have come to share and debate. How can one claim that what I have come to share is false if they do not take the time to review it and illustrate the area of testimony that is not presenting a truth based on the evidence presented? How can they make a better case with out providing evidence of greater truth?

Will there be a real debate that will lead to the discovery of truth for me or for you; or will we simply see more animated graphix and opinion? You are group of people self proclaimed to be the pillars and source of truth. Please show me the truth by illustrating where I am not preseting a truth on pages 1-36 of this shared study. help me see the light of truth that God has given you. In the name of truth for the love of truth is ask this of you.

God Bless

[Winchester]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1269632358' post='2080778']
Please illustrate a page number 1-36 where I am misleading people.
[/quote]
[quote]

[quote]Winchester, on 26 March 2010 - 02:13 PM, said:

Todd, I'm not talking about your crazy "study", which [b]I will never, ever, read[/b]. I'm talking about your shorter posts. I don't read the long ones in depth because a quick skim detects delusion easily.[/quote][/quote]

Reread my quote.

[todd_vetter33]

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showuser=83"][color="#284b72"]cmotherofpirl[/color][/url]

Below are questions you have avoided on this topic as you have maintained that i have not used scripture for the study i share. Please define Scripture

"You still have not defined scripture per your current perception. I know the bible describes scripture to be God breathed words of truth and this is what my study establishes. Yet you find in the catholic Bible, Not all recording are a perfect reflection of scripture (Truth from God).

Evidence:
Only one of the below recordings aleged to have occured at the same point in history get to be a true written reflection of words that proceeded from the mouth of God's son by inspiration of God.

Matthew 16:21 KJV From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, [u][color="#0000ff"]and be raised the third day.[/color]

[/u]Mark 8:31 KJV And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things and be rejected of the elders and of the chief priests and scribes and be killed, [color="#0000ff"][u]and after three days rise again.[/u]
[/color]
As detailed in the study for the anointing in Bethany. the book of John places this single one time event 6 days before the Passover, Matt and Mark place this same event 2 days before the passover. Which is telling the truth?

Regarding Jesus driving out the money changers from the temple. Matt and Luke imply this event to have occured the same day as the triumphal entry. Mark clearly illustrates this single one time event occuring the day after the triumphal entry.

who in Catholic doctrine is telling the truth inspired by the holy spirit for these events? What is Scripture per your definition?

[url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"][color="#284b72"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics.pdf[/color][/url]

I can remove what you call fictitional writings and you are still left with the same issues I have illustrated above. Please explian and give evidence for why Catholic Bible testimony is more credible for the events listed in comparison to the rejected catholic doctrine the study displays which you claim are fictitional."

God Bless

Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='Winchester' date='26 March 2010 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1269633658' post='2080801']
Reread my quote.
[/quote]


Then what is your purpose for being here? Are you here to play your cymbal and Gong? If this is a waste of your time why do you value spending your time here?

Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33

[Winchester]

KJV:

We still don't use it.

[Winchester]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1269633811' post='2080806']
Then what is your purpose for being here? Are you here to play your cymbal and Gong?
[/quote]
Reread. Again.

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='Winchester' date='26 March 2010 - 03:05 PM' timestamp='1269633936' post='2080809']
Reread. Again.
[/quote]

So are you hear to revel in my delusion? Is that very Christian? Please enlighten me with truth so that my delusion can be cured. It's said that Jesus true followers will have healing powers. But true faith is needed for healing to work. You have faith that Jesus was crucified on Friday. I have faith that this event occured on Wedesday. Is my faith in truth? You'll have to open the study shared to illustrate why my faith is not in truth.

One thing is clear. One of us is delusional in our faith.

God Bless

Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33

[todd_vetter33]

I came here to the debate table to discuss and debate the information which I share at this link.

[url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics. pdf[/url]

Instead of debate on the topic presented, I am greeted with indignation and opinions with out receiving any evidence to support the view that goes contrary to what I have come to share and debate. How can one claim that what I have come to share is false if they do not take the time to review it and illustrate any area of testimony that is not presenting a truth based on the evidence presented? I'm only asking for a page number and the illustration of testimony on a single page that is presenting somthing false. How can anyone make a better case for truth regarding this topic with out providing evidence of greater truth and illustrating my Error?

Will there be a real debate that will lead to the discovery of truth for me or for you; or will we simply see more animated graphix and opinion? You are group of people self proclaimed to be the pillars and source of truth. Please show me the truth by illustrating where I am not preseting a truth on pages 1-36 of this shared study. help me see the light of truth that God has given you. In the name of truth for the love of truth is ask this of you.

God Bless

Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 04:53 PM' timestamp='1269633193' post='2080794']
I came here to the debate table to discuss and debate the information which I share at this link.

[url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"][color="#284b72"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics.pdf[/color][/url]

Instead of debate on the topic presented, I am greeted with indignation and opinions with out receiving any evidence to support the view that goes contrary to what I have come to share and debate. How can one claim that what I have come to share is false if they do not take the time to review it and illustrate the area of testimony that is not presenting a truth based on the evidence presented? How can they make a better case with out providing evidence of greater truth?

Will there be a real debate that will lead to the discovery of truth for me or for you; or will we simply see more animated graphix and opinion? You are group of people self proclaimed to be the pillars and source of truth. Please show me the truth by illustrating where I am not preseting a truth on pages 1-36 of this shared study. help me see the light of truth that God has given you. In the name of truth for the love of truth is ask this of you.

God Bless
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We will not debate any document based on spurious historical inventions.
Scripture contains the following books:

Old Testament

Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
Joshua
Judges
Ruth
1 Samuel
2 Samuel
1 Kings
2 Kings
1 Chronicles
2 Chronicles
Ezra
Nehemiah
Tobit
Judith
Esther
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
Job
Psalms
Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Song of Songs
Wisdom
Sirach
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Lamentations
Baruch
Ezekiel
Daniel
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
New Testament
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Acts

Romans
1 Corinthians

2 Corinthians
Galatians

Ephesians
Philippians

Colossians
1 Thessalonians

2 Thessalonians
1 Timothy

2 Timothy
Titus

Philemon
Hebrews

James
1 Peter

2 Peter
1 John

2 John
3 John
Jude
Revelation

We also don't use the KJV because it is missing books and is not a good translation of Scripture.

No spurious gospels, fragments etc count.

[todd_vetter33]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='26 March 2010 - 02:50 PM' timestamp='1269633002' post='2080791']
The current documented numbers of people killed by the church are a short cry from the truth. [color="#8b0000"]You are right, they are totally exxagerated and inflated by people who rely on the interest and not actual scholarship.[/color]

Are the good history books you are referring too the ones where Rome tries to hide the their past history? [color="#8b0000"]No, we are referring to people with actual degrees who actually know what they are talking about.[/color] Rome had a major role in the destruction of many jews during world war 2.. what was the current recognized number of jews killed in the hullocost [color="#8b0000"]That is a total and unmitigated lie.[/color]
[/quote]


I know the bible describes scripture to be God breathed words of truth and this is what my study establishes. Yet you find in the catholic Bible, Not all recordings are a perfect reflection of scripture (Truth from God) or a perfect reflection of the historical event it attempts to record. Below are examples from the books you illustrated in your last post just above this post.

Evidence:
Only one of the below recordings found in the list of scripture References you listed in your prior post are true scripture only one of the below recordings which allegedly occured at the same point in history get to be a true written reflection of words that proceeded from the mouth of God's son by inspiration of God.

Matthew 16:21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, [u][color="#ff0000"]and be raised the third day.[/color]

[/u]Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things and be rejected of the elders and of the chief priests and scribes and be killed, [color="#0000ff"][u]and after three days rise again.[/u]
[/color]
As detailed in the study for the anointing in Bethany. the book of John places this single one time event 6 days before the Passover, Matt and Mark place this same event 2 days before the passover. Which is telling the truth?

Regarding Jesus driving out the money changers from the temple. Matt and Luke imply this event to have occured the same day as the triumphal entry. Mark clearly illustrates this single one time event occuring the day after the triumphal entry.

who in Catholic doctrine is telling the truth inspired by the holy spirit for these events? What is Scripture per your definition?

[url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics. pdf[/url]

I can remove what you call fictitional writings and you are still left with the same issues I have illustrated above. Please explian and give evidence for why Catholic Bible testimony is more credible for the events listed in comparison to the rejected catholic doctrine the study displays which you claim are fictitional."

God Bless

Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33