todd_vetter33 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 I came here to the debate table to discuss and debate the information which I share at this link. [url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"][color="#284b72"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics.pdf[/color][/url] Instead of debate on the topic presented, I am greeted with indignation and opinions with out receiving any evidence to support the view that goes contrary to what I have come to share and debate. How can one claim that what I have come to share is false if they do not take the time to review it and illustrate the area of testimony that is not presenting a truth based on the evidence presented? How can they make a better case with out providing evidence of greater truth? Will there be a real debate that will lead to the discovery of truth for me or for you; or will we simply see more animated graphix and opinion? You are group of people self proclaimed to be the pillars and source of truth. Please show me the truth by illustrating where I am not preseting a truth on pages 1-36 of this shared study. help me see the light of truth that God has given you. In the name of truth for the love of truth is ask this of you. God Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 [quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 03:39 PM' timestamp='1269632358' post='2080778'] Please illustrate a page number 1-36 where I am misleading people. [/quote] [quote] [quote]Winchester, on 26 March 2010 - 02:13 PM, said: Todd, I'm not talking about your crazy "study", which [b]I will never, ever, read[/b]. I'm talking about your shorter posts. I don't read the long ones in depth because a quick skim detects delusion easily.[/quote][/quote] Reread my quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd_vetter33 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showuser=83"][color="#284b72"]cmotherofpirl[/color][/url] Below are questions you have avoided on this topic as you have maintained that i have not used scripture for the study i share. Please define Scripture "You still have not defined scripture per your current perception. I know the bible describes scripture to be God breathed words of truth and this is what my study establishes. Yet you find in the catholic Bible, Not all recording are a perfect reflection of scripture (Truth from God). Evidence: Only one of the below recordings aleged to have occured at the same point in history get to be a true written reflection of words that proceeded from the mouth of God's son by inspiration of God. Matthew 16:21 KJV From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, [u][color="#0000ff"]and be raised the third day.[/color] [/u]Mark 8:31 KJV And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things and be rejected of the elders and of the chief priests and scribes and be killed, [color="#0000ff"][u]and after three days rise again.[/u] [/color] As detailed in the study for the anointing in Bethany. the book of John places this single one time event 6 days before the Passover, Matt and Mark place this same event 2 days before the passover. Which is telling the truth? Regarding Jesus driving out the money changers from the temple. Matt and Luke imply this event to have occured the same day as the triumphal entry. Mark clearly illustrates this single one time event occuring the day after the triumphal entry. who in Catholic doctrine is telling the truth inspired by the holy spirit for these events? What is Scripture per your definition? [url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"][color="#284b72"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics.pdf[/color][/url] I can remove what you call fictitional writings and you are still left with the same issues I have illustrated above. Please explian and give evidence for why Catholic Bible testimony is more credible for the events listed in comparison to the rejected catholic doctrine the study displays which you claim are fictitional." God Bless Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd_vetter33 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' date='26 March 2010 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1269633658' post='2080801'] Reread my quote. [/quote] Then what is your purpose for being here? Are you here to play your cymbal and Gong? If this is a waste of your time why do you value spending your time here? Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 KJV: We still don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 [quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1269633811' post='2080806'] Then what is your purpose for being here? Are you here to play your cymbal and Gong? [/quote] Reread. Again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd_vetter33 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' date='26 March 2010 - 03:05 PM' timestamp='1269633936' post='2080809'] Reread. Again. [/quote] So are you hear to revel in my delusion? Is that very Christian? Please enlighten me with truth so that my delusion can be cured. It's said that Jesus true followers will have healing powers. But true faith is needed for healing to work. You have faith that Jesus was crucified on Friday. I have faith that this event occured on Wedesday. Is my faith in truth? You'll have to open the study shared to illustrate why my faith is not in truth. One thing is clear. One of us is delusional in our faith. God Bless Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd_vetter33 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) I came here to the debate table to discuss and debate the information which I share at this link. [url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics. pdf[/url] Instead of debate on the topic presented, I am greeted with indignation and opinions with out receiving any evidence to support the view that goes contrary to what I have come to share and debate. How can one claim that what I have come to share is false if they do not take the time to review it and illustrate any area of testimony that is not presenting a truth based on the evidence presented? I'm only asking for a page number and the illustration of testimony on a single page that is presenting somthing false. How can anyone make a better case for truth regarding this topic with out providing evidence of greater truth and illustrating my Error? Will there be a real debate that will lead to the discovery of truth for me or for you; or will we simply see more animated graphix and opinion? You are group of people self proclaimed to be the pillars and source of truth. Please show me the truth by illustrating where I am not preseting a truth on pages 1-36 of this shared study. help me see the light of truth that God has given you. In the name of truth for the love of truth is ask this of you. God Bless Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 [quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 04:53 PM' timestamp='1269633193' post='2080794'] I came here to the debate table to discuss and debate the information which I share at this link. [url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"][color="#284b72"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics.pdf[/color][/url] Instead of debate on the topic presented, I am greeted with indignation and opinions with out receiving any evidence to support the view that goes contrary to what I have come to share and debate. How can one claim that what I have come to share is false if they do not take the time to review it and illustrate the area of testimony that is not presenting a truth based on the evidence presented? How can they make a better case with out providing evidence of greater truth? Will there be a real debate that will lead to the discovery of truth for me or for you; or will we simply see more animated graphix and opinion? You are group of people self proclaimed to be the pillars and source of truth. Please show me the truth by illustrating where I am not preseting a truth on pages 1-36 of this shared study. help me see the light of truth that God has given you. In the name of truth for the love of truth is ask this of you. God Bless [/quote] We will not debate any document based on spurious historical inventions. Scripture contains the following books: Old Testament Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy Joshua Judges Ruth 1 Samuel 2 Samuel 1 Kings 2 Kings 1 Chronicles 2 Chronicles Ezra Nehemiah Tobit Judith Esther 1 Maccabees 2 Maccabees Job Psalms Proverbs Ecclesiastes Song of Songs Wisdom Sirach Isaiah Jeremiah Lamentations Baruch Ezekiel Daniel Hosea Joel Amos Obadiah Jonah Micah Nahum Habakkuk Zephaniah Haggai Zechariah Malachi New Testament Matthew Mark Luke John Acts Romans 1 Corinthians 2 Corinthians Galatians Ephesians Philippians Colossians 1 Thessalonians 2 Thessalonians 1 Timothy 2 Timothy Titus Philemon Hebrews James 1 Peter 2 Peter 1 John 2 John 3 John Jude Revelation We also don't use the KJV because it is missing books and is not a good translation of Scripture. No spurious gospels, fragments etc count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd_vetter33 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='26 March 2010 - 02:50 PM' timestamp='1269633002' post='2080791'] The current documented numbers of people killed by the church are a short cry from the truth. [color="#8b0000"]You are right, they are totally exxagerated and inflated by people who rely on the interest and not actual scholarship.[/color] Are the good history books you are referring too the ones where Rome tries to hide the their past history? [color="#8b0000"]No, we are referring to people with actual degrees who actually know what they are talking about.[/color] Rome had a major role in the destruction of many jews during world war 2.. what was the current recognized number of jews killed in the hullocost [color="#8b0000"]That is a total and unmitigated lie.[/color] [/quote] I know the bible describes scripture to be God breathed words of truth and this is what my study establishes. Yet you find in the catholic Bible, Not all recordings are a perfect reflection of scripture (Truth from God) or a perfect reflection of the historical event it attempts to record. Below are examples from the books you illustrated in your last post just above this post. Evidence: Only one of the below recordings found in the list of scripture References you listed in your prior post are true scripture only one of the below recordings which allegedly occured at the same point in history get to be a true written reflection of words that proceeded from the mouth of God's son by inspiration of God. Matthew 16:21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, [u][color="#ff0000"]and be raised the third day.[/color] [/u]Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things and be rejected of the elders and of the chief priests and scribes and be killed, [color="#0000ff"][u]and after three days rise again.[/u] [/color] As detailed in the study for the anointing in Bethany. the book of John places this single one time event 6 days before the Passover, Matt and Mark place this same event 2 days before the passover. Which is telling the truth? Regarding Jesus driving out the money changers from the temple. Matt and Luke imply this event to have occured the same day as the triumphal entry. Mark clearly illustrates this single one time event occuring the day after the triumphal entry. who in Catholic doctrine is telling the truth inspired by the holy spirit for these events? What is Scripture per your definition? [url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics. pdf[/url] I can remove what you call fictitional writings and you are still left with the same issues I have illustrated above. Please explian and give evidence for why Catholic Bible testimony is more credible for the events listed in comparison to the rejected catholic doctrine the study displays which you claim are fictitional." God Bless Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 [quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 04:08 PM' timestamp='1269634085' post='2080811'] So are you hear to revel in my delusion? Is that very Christian? Please enlighten me with truth so that my delusion can be cured. [/quote] Todd, go buy some books. I gave you a nice history book. Couple it with the Catechism. [quote] It's said that Jesus true followers will have healing powers. But true faith is needed for healing to work. You have faith that Jesus was crucified on Friday. I have faith that this event occured on Wedesday. [/quote] I'm pretty sure the Jews didn't know squat about Odin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd_vetter33 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='26 March 2010 - 03:15 PM' timestamp='1269634511' post='2080821'] We will not debate any document based on spurious historical inventions. Scripture contains the following books: Old Testament Genesis Exodus Leviticus Numbers Deuteronomy Joshua Judges Ruth 1 Samuel 2 Samuel 1 Kings 2 Kings 1 Chronicles 2 Chronicles Ezra Nehemiah Tobit Judith Esther 1 Maccabees 2 Maccabees Job Psalms Proverbs Ecclesiastes Song of Songs Wisdom Sirach Isaiah Jeremiah Lamentations Baruch Ezekiel Daniel Hosea Joel Amos Obadiah Jonah Micah Nahum Habakkuk Zephaniah Haggai Zechariah Malachi New Testament Matthew Mark Luke John Acts Romans 1 Corinthians 2 Corinthians Galatians Ephesians Philippians Colossians 1 Thessalonians 2 Thessalonians 1 Timothy 2 Timothy Titus Philemon Hebrews James 1 Peter 2 Peter 1 John 2 John 3 John Jude Revelation We also don't use the KJV because it is missing books and is not a good translation of Scripture. No spurious gospels, fragments etc count. [/quote] I know the bible describes scripture to be God breathed words of truth by inspiration of God and this is what my study establishes. Yet you find in the Catholic Bible which you reference above; Not all recordings are a perfect reflection of scripture (Truth from God) or a perfect reflection of the historical event it attempts to record. Below are examples from the books you illustrated in your last post. [b]2 Timothy 3:16[/b] All [b]Scripture[/b] is given by inspiration of [b]God[/b], and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, Evidence: Only one of the below recordings found in the list of References you listed for scripture in your prior post are true scripture. Only one of the below recordings which allegedly occured at the same point in history get to be a true written reflection of the words that proceeded from the mouth of God's son by inspiration of God. Matthew 16:21 From that time Jesus began to show to His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, [u][color="#ff0000"]and be raised the third day.[/color] [/u]Mark 8:31 And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things and be rejected of the elders and of the chief priests and scribes and be killed, [color="#0000ff"][u]and after three days rise again.[/u] Page 11 of the link referenced study gives a clear illustration why the truth vs error are important to recognize between these two recordings. [/color][color="#0000ff"]As detailed in the study that I share in reference to the anointing in Bethany based on the Catholic doctrine which you listed. the book of John places this single one time event 6 days before the Passover, Matt and Mark place this same event 2 days before the passover. Which is telling the truth by inspiration of God? Regarding Jesus driving out the money changers from the temple. Matt and Luke imply this event to have occured the same day as the triumphal entry. Mark clearly illustrates this single one time event occuring the day after the triumphal entry. The book of John implies this event occured 2 years before it actually happend. Who is telling the truth inspired by God? [/color] Who in Catholic doctrine is telling the truth inspired by the Holy Spirit for these events? Which of the accounts for the illustrated events are spurious gospels, fragments etc? [url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"][color="#284b72"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics. pdf[/color][/url] I can remove what you call fictitional writings and you are still left with the same issues I have illustrated above. Please explian and give evidence for why Catholic Bible testimony is more credible for the events listed in comparison to the rejected catholic doctrine the study displays which you claim is fictitional. God Bless Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd_vetter33 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) [quote name='Winchester' date='26 March 2010 - 03:22 PM' timestamp='1269634966' post='2080830'] Todd, go buy some books. I gave you a nice history book. Couple it with the Catechism. I'm pretty sure the Jews didn't know squat about Odin. [/quote] Catechism?? I have read this, It's additional evidence of Rome trying to modify God's Law. [url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm"]http://www.vatican.v...ism/command.htm[/url] [url="http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/part3_2.html"]http://www.christusr...HN/part3_2.html[/url] Please compare Catechism ten commandments with Exodus 20. You'll find it missing important information that proceeded from the mouth of God, yet Jesus said man will only live by every word that proceeded from the mouth of God. God Bless Edited March 26, 2010 by todd_vetter33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todd_vetter33 Posted March 26, 2010 Author Share Posted March 26, 2010 I came here to the debate table to discuss and debate the information which I share at this link. [url="http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection%20for%20catholics.pdf"][color="#284b72"]http://www.thedeatha...20catholics. pdf[/color][/url] Instead of debate on the topic presented, I am greeted with indignation and opinions with out receiving any evidence to support the view that goes contrary to what I have come to share and debate. How can one claim that what I have come to share is false if they do not take the time to review it and illustrate any area of testimony that is not presenting a truth based on the evidence presented? I'm only asking for a page number and the illustration of testimony on a single page that is presenting somthing false. How can anyone make a better case for truth regarding this topic with out providing evidence of greater truth and illustrating my Error? Will there be a real debate that will lead to the discovery of truth for me or for you; or will we simply see more animated graphix and opinion? You are group of people self proclaimed to be the pillars and source of truth. Please show me the truth by illustrating where I am not preseting a truth on pages 1-36 of this shared study. help me see the light of truth that God has given you. In the name of truth for the love of truth is ask this of you. God Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 [quote name='todd_vetter33' date='26 March 2010 - 04:54 PM' timestamp='1269636851' post='2080859'] Catechism?? I have read this, It's additional evidence of Rome trying to modify God's Law. [url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm"]http://www.vatican.v...ism/command.htm[/url] [url="http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/part3_2.html"]http://www.christusr...HN/part3_2.html[/url] Please compare Catechism ten commandments with Exodus 20. You'll find it missing important information that proceeded from the mouth of God, yet Jesus said man will only live by every word that proceeded from the mouth of God. God Bless [/quote] The purpose of the Catechism isn't to reproduce the entire Bible. If that were the case, it would be called "The Bible", not "The Catechism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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