Protestants Going To Hell

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1296113926' post='2204974']
[s]amesome[/s] cool story, bro.
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[Papist]

[quote name='cappie' timestamp='1295821908' post='2203568']
Who is in hell? Satan and the fallen angels are certainly there—or will be on the last day (cf. CCC 392–93). As for human beings, Scripture implies that some will not be saved (Matt. 7:13–14), but it has not been given to us to know in this life who has not found salvation. Indeed, in union with God who desires the salvation of all men (1 Tim. 2:3–4), the Church prays for all who have died and hopes for the salvation of each person individually (CCC 1821).
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[Hinter dem Horizont]

[quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1295814608' post='2203505']
I don't make a habit of saying anyone is going to hell, because really, the only one that truly knows their heart is God. We can't know. All we can do is hope and pray.
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Exactly. We have no right to say who is or who is not going to hell. God is the only one that can say.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1296105568' post='2204922']
Are you saying you believe in the rapture ?
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No. I was just saying that A lot of Protestants will always say that Purgatory is some man made place since the word is not used in Scripture. But at the same time, these same people, believe in this thing called "Rapture" and this word is not used in scripture either. So they are contradicting themselves.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296109388' post='2204957']
I saw a bumper sticker that say "Warning: In case of RAPTURE, this car will have no driver."
Super tacky, IMO.
A better one would start with "In case of RAPTORS"......
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lol

[Guest]

[quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1296161944' post='2205224']
No. I was just saying that A lot of Protestants will always say that Purgatory is some man made place since the word is not used in Scripture. But at the same time, these same people, believe in this thing called "Rapture" and this word is not used in scripture either. So they are contradicting themselves.
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Haha gotcha that's funny and also a good point.

[Semper Catholic]

My Grandma used to say that people who tell others they are going to Hell get to cut straight to the front of the line.

[Guest]

[quote name='Semper Catholic' timestamp='1296325796' post='2206419']
My Grandma used to say that people who tell others they are going to Hell get to cut straight to the front of the line.
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If you're talking about me your wrong. I didn't say anyone was going to hell. I love my protestant brothers and sisters.

[dominicansoul]

me thinx protestants protest too much

[Groo the Wanderer]

Methinks there will be more Catholics in hell than Prots...

....to whom much is given....

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1296334087' post='2206478']
Methinks there will be more Catholics in hell than Prots...

....to whom much is given....
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Well if what they say is true then there is currently 700 million Protestants and 1.1 Billion Catholics. Considering that the Ratio is so small and that Catholics have a stronger chance of going to Heaven. It may be the other way around. But who knows. I don't want to attach numbers and statistics to who goes to Heaven or not. LOL.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1296330780' post='2206444']
me thinx protestants protest too much
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I don't think they realize that they are protesting.

[thessalonian]

As I said above Catholics are held to a higher standard as expressed in Luke 12. "To who much is given much is required" "to the one who does not know he will receive a light beating". From this it is clear that we need to worry about that, not who is going to heaven or hell. This passage could be construed as an equaling of the heaven/hell protestant/Catholic equation. But we know that God gives greater grace to Catholics via the sacraments, by which he sufficiently provides for us to fullfill our calling.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='thessalonian' timestamp='1296524063' post='2207260']
As I said above Catholics are held to a higher standard as expressed in Luke 12. "To who much is given much is required" "to the one who does not know he will receive a light beating". From this it is clear that we need to worry about that, not who is going to heaven or hell. This passage could be construed as an equaling of the heaven/hell protestant/Catholic equation. But we know that God gives greater grace to Catholics via the sacraments, by which he sufficiently provides for us to fullfill our calling.
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So by searching and finding answers...more requirements are expected from God in order for us to go to Heaven?

[infinitelord1]

You know I have often wondered if it was better to not tell a Protestant that their marriage really isn't valid. Because the minister who married them is separated from the Church. Hence, separated from Jesus Christ and his Sacraments. Furthermore, they were not married by God. So basically every non-Catholic marriage is Fornication if you think about it. But its probably best not to tell anyone...because if they don't know then I think God may have mercy on them and not send them to hell for it. They may just have to settle for Purgatory.

Edited February 3, 2011 by infinitelord1

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

dominus pax,
also i think i read in the catechism of the catholic church also states that salvation can be attained outside the church, and i agree, as far as i'm aware the minimum biblical requirements are to be baptise and believe and i guess that causes us to seek god in prayer,and possibly nature,others and possibly the word of god as well,think of it that maybe there a 7 precepts of salvation we know to be baptised and believe is the first step,and we are all on different steps, amybe some practise a few some all 7 some just the first step, we are not to judge, jesus states he whom is for you can not be against you when the apostles complained there where people casting out jesus in his name whom weren't listening to the apostles,of course jesus means whom is for him can not be against him. Hope that helps you all. And also biblicaly jesus said when the apostles asked him "what about those whom don't get baptised" and esus replied that they would be judged by the law written on there own hearts.

God Bless
JC "seek and you shall find"

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye' timestamp='1296736867' post='2208165']
dominus pax,
[b]also i think i read in the catechism of the catholic church also states that salvation can be attained outside the church, and i agree[/b], as far as i'm aware the minimum biblical requirements are to be baptise and believe and i guess that causes us to seek god in prayer,and possibly nature,others and possibly the word of god as well,think of it that maybe there a 7 precepts of salvation we know to be baptised and believe is the first step,and we are all on different steps, amybe some practise a few some all 7 some just the first step, we are not to judge, jesus states he whom is for you can not be against you when the apostles complained there where people casting out jesus in his name whom weren't listening to the apostles,of course jesus means whom is for him can not be against him. Hope that helps you all. And also biblicaly jesus said when the apostles asked him "what about those whom don't get baptised" and esus replied that they would be judged by the law written on there own hearts.

God Bless
JC "seek and you shall find"
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This is technically false. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus. We have to understand that properly, and it doesn't necessarily have to mean that "only Catholics who go to Church every Sunday" will be saved any nobody else, but it is something we *must* believe as Catholics.

"Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. All the categorical strength and point of this aphorism lies in its tautology. Outside the Church there is no salvation, because salvation is the Church" (G. Florovsky, "Sobornost: the Catholicity of the Church", in The Church of God, p. 53). Does it therefore follow that anyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned? Of course not; still less does it follow that everyone who is visibly within the Church is necessarily saved. As Augustine wisely remarked: "How many sheep there are without, how many wolves within!" (Homilies on John, 45, 12) While there is no division between a "visible" and an "invisible Church", yet there may be members of the Church who are not visibly such, but whose membership is known to God alone. If anyone is saved, he must in some sense be a member of the Church; in what sense, we cannot always say."
(Kallistos Ware)

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='infinitelord1' timestamp='1296710690' post='2208094']
So basically every non-Catholic marriage is Fornication if you think about it.
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That makes Protestants the most serious fornicators under God.

[Selah]

[quote]My Grandma used to say that people who tell others they are going to Hell get to cut straight to the front of the line.[/quote]

Your Grandma rocks.

Edited February 10, 2011 by Selah

[MithLuin]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1295816858' post='2203538']
That's interesting. I would say a lot of protestants are in this boat. Probally 70 percent.
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70 percent of Protestants know in their heart of hearts that the Catholic Church is the true Church, and yet reject her anyway?

I seriously doubt that.

I know you later brought it down to 10-15%, but even so that seems ridiculously high. I know of plenty of people who convert. I would think that...upon discovering the truth residing in the Catholic Church, the majority of people who make some moves towards joining.

Most Protestants who reject Catholicism do so because they think the Church is in grave error and leads souls astray. In other words...they steer clear not because they knowingly reject her, but because they reject the lies and misconceptions they have of her. Being in error is a problem, but it is not typically a mortal sin. There are Protestants I know who are very lukewarm about faith and don't seem to have much interest in God one way or the other. But there are also many Protestants I know who love Jesus and strive to follow him as best they can in their lives.

Just as their are many Catholics who are Catholic in name only and don't have much faith, but there are also many Catholics who have a vibrant faith and follow God and repent of their sins.

In this case, what church one attends on Sunday is probably not the most accurate tool for assessing who goes to heaven, but then...that's a call I feel I have no business making anyway. God judges all hearts. Not me. Certainly I have opinions on the matter, but I won't be heartbroken to find out I'm wrong. I'll trust Jesus to take care of that.

Edited February 10, 2011 by MithLuin