Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296165019' post='2205269'] Hmmm. It would be remote material cooperation, at worst. But it would formal cooperation on the part of those who support the State, as Nihil Obstat pointed out. "Certified violence-free drugs." I see a market opportunity for hippies. ~Sternhauser [/quote] Notwithstanding the fact that De Beers is a State backed cartel and is behind the violence themselves, there was a lot of demand for "conflict-free diamonds" when people started to catch onto the violence in the diamond mining industry. That's why Canadian "Polar Bear" diamonds are sold at a premium.[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1296165097' post='2205270'] you are assuming regular price elasticity...which is a mistake for items such as these. [/quote] You don't think the price of marijuana is elastic?
MIKolbe Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 i don not think it is AS elastic as the statement infers. (in current market conditions)
Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1296165231' post='2205273'] i don not think it is AS elastic as the statement infers. (in current market conditions) [/quote] Why not? Just curious.
MIKolbe Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 Plus, it implies one 'sku' of marijuana. which is also incorrect.
dominicansoul Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 you guys just took a fun thread on marijuana and made it boring.... *inhales* [size="1"](just joshin')[/size]
Sternhauser Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296165181' post='2205271'] Notwithstanding the fact that De Beers is a State backed cartel and is behind the violence themselves, there was a lot of demand for "conflict-free diamonds" when people started to catch onto the violence in the diamond mining industry. That's why Canadian "Polar Bear" diamonds are sold at a premium. [/quote] Rubies, sapphires and emeralds should be the new diamond. Diamonds are a ridiculously common stone. DeBeers has warehouses of cut diamonds held back from the market. A blemish-free natural ruby with a good color, on the other hand, is freakishly rare. $220,000 per carat on a nearly flawless ruby, at real market prices. They're prettier, too. ~Sternhauser Edited January 27, 2011 by Sternhauser
Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1296165455' post='2205276'] you guys just took a fun thread on marijuana and made it boring.... *inhales* [size="1"](just joshin')[/size] [/quote] Duuuuuude, you just have to open your mind to, like, the magic of economics. It'll, like, blow your mind wiiiiiiiiide open.
Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296165519' post='2205277'] Rubies, sapphires and emeralds should be the new diamond. Diamonds are a ridiculously common stone. DeBeers has warehouses of cut diamonds held back from the market. A blemish-free natural ruby with a good color, on the other hand, is freakishly rare. ~Sternhauser [/quote] I agree 100%. Blue amber is another example. Now *that* is a unique object.
AudreyGrace Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296164419' post='2205263'] And if they arbitrarily outlawed the manufacture and distribution of chickens, leading to chicken cartel wars, would you feel the same way? ~Sternhauser [/quote] how do you know there's not an underground chicken cartel? bawk bawk bawk. *free the chickens!!*
rkwright Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296165019' post='2205269'] Hmmm. It would be remote material cooperation, at worst. But it would formal cooperation on the part of those who support the State, as Nihil Obstat pointed out. "Certified violence-free drugs." I see a market opportunity for hippies. ~Sternhauser [/quote] Well given the recent press I would agrue that it may be a "higher" degree of cooperation. I haven't thought this through - but I wonder how responsible one is in "supporting" the state when its laws in some way create a black market that creates more crime. Anything the state makes illegal creates some sort of black market which usually involves some sort of violence, potentially innocent people being killed. For example; prostitiution is illegal, so that creates a "black market" for prostitution, which in turn makes it unsafe for prostitutes and others. Are those that wish prostitution illegal formally cooperating in the death of the prostitute?
Sternhauser Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296165614' post='2205279'] I agree 100%. Blue amber is another example. Now *that* is a unique object. [/quote] I've never even heard of that. [Pique] ~Sternhauser
Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='rkwright' timestamp='1296165690' post='2205282'] Well given the recent press I would agrue that it may be a "higher" degree of cooperation. I haven't thought this through - but I wonder how responsible one is in "supporting" the state when its laws in some way create a black market that creates more crime. Anything the state makes illegal creates some sort of black market which usually involves some sort of violence, potentially innocent people being killed. For example; prostitiution is illegal, so that creates a "black market" for prostitution, which in turn makes it unsafe for prostitutes and others. Are those that wish prostitution illegal formally cooperating in the death of the prostitute? [/quote] Formally? I doubt it. I think formal cooperation implies full knowledge of the consequences.
Sternhauser Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='rkwright' timestamp='1296165690' post='2205282'] Well given the recent press I would agrue that it may be a "higher" degree of cooperation. I haven't thought this through - but I wonder how responsible one is in "supporting" the state when its laws in some way create a black market that creates more crime. Anything the state makes illegal creates some sort of black market which usually involves some sort of violence, potentially innocent people being killed. For example; prostitiution is illegal, so that creates a "black market" for prostitution, which in turn makes it unsafe for prostitutes and others. Are those that wish prostitution illegal formally cooperating in the death of the prostitute? [/quote] St. Thomas probably thought they'd have a higher degree of responsibility. He was opposed to the prohibition of prostitution. Nihil is correct when he says that formal cooperation would require an understanding about the consequences. It would not be formal cooperation unless one's end in supporting the law was indistinguishable from supporting the death of the prostitute. ~Sternhauser Edited January 27, 2011 by Sternhauser
Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296165741' post='2205283'] I've never even heard of that. [Pique] ~Sternhauser [/quote] (Naturally) Blue amber is a type of amber (which is cool enough on its own) which is coloured in such a way that it actually looks completely different depending on lighting conditions. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b7/Spaceblue1.jpg/200px-Spaceblue1.jpg[/img] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/13/Spaceblue2.jpg/200px-Spaceblue2.jpg[/img] Same piece, believe it or not. Only difference is from where the light was coming. Also glows under UV light. It's extremely rare. Naturally rare. Actually interesting too. Edited January 27, 2011 by Nihil Obstat
rkwright Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296165755' post='2205285'] Formally? I doubt it. I think formal cooperation implies full knowledge of the consequences. [/quote] Perhaps it is subjective. It seems reasonable to me that some people know fully well of the consequences.
rachael Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) [quote name='JoyfulLife' timestamp='1296159992' post='2205198'] It's illegal as far as I know. I've heard it can cause hallucinations, unreality, delusions, psychosis, craziness, etc. Nooooooooooo thank you. A totally different ballgame from having a glass of martini, margarita, wine, etc. Just say no to drugs, eh? [/quote] Does this include prescriptions? [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1296163927' post='2205256'] Context never gets in the way of a Socrates (Socratic?) argument. [/quote] And it never will. Edited January 27, 2011 by rachael
rkwright Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1296165821' post='2205286'] St. Thomas probably thought they'd have a higher degree of responsibility. He was opposed to the prohibition of prostitution. Nihil is correct when he says that formal cooperation would require an understanding about the consequences. It would not be formal cooperation unless one's end in supporting the law was indistinguishable from supporting the death of the prostitute. ~Sternhauser [/quote] Well then I don't see how law enforcement (the state) is formally cooperating in a cartel killing someone in Mexico when they take a dealer off the streets. Their end is not to cause death anywhere else, but to enforce the laws here.
Sternhauser Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296165960' post='2205287'] (Naturally) Blue amber is a type of amber (which is cool enough on its own) which is coloured in such a way that it actually looks completely different depending on lighting conditions. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b7/Spaceblue1.jpg/200px-Spaceblue1.jpg[/img] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/13/Spaceblue2.jpg/200px-Spaceblue2.jpg[/img] Same piece, believe it or not. Only difference is from where the light was coming. Also glows under UV light. It's extremely rare. Naturally rare. Actually interesting too. [/quote] That is gorgeous. ~Sternhauser
Guest Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296165960' post='2205287'] (Naturally) Blue amber is a type of amber (which is cool enough on its own) which is coloured in such a way that it actually looks completely different depending on lighting conditions. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b7/Spaceblue1.jpg/200px-Spaceblue1.jpg[/img] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/13/Spaceblue2.jpg/200px-Spaceblue2.jpg[/img] Same piece, believe it or not. Only difference is from where the light was coming. Also glows under UV light. It's extremely rare. Naturally rare. Actually interesting too. [/quote] That's pretty sweet.
Papist Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1296162393' post='2205231'] Stern is right, that logic is valid. If those are the reasons we are to be opposed to marijuana, we must also be opposed to alcohol. It's just valid logic, so instead we have to debate on soundness. Alcohol also "dims reason and potentially is damaging to the integrity of one's body and soul", and "alters brain function". Yet alcohol is legal, as it should be. Alcohol is moral to take into one's body in moderation. In fact it is a great thing in moderation. Why should we treat marijuana differently? Yes, thank you. [/quote] Does that make Fr.'s logic to be it is immoral to receive the Blood of Chirst?
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