KnightofChrist Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318968426' post='2323305'] I see what you did there. You automatically assumed I was trying to say every single person in each of those groups supports it. Which I wasn't. Unlike some in this thread, I don't call all members of certain groups a monolithic entity. Not all Democrats are pro-OWS, not all Nazis are pro-OWS, not all Communists are pro-OWS, not all veterans are pro-OWS. However, when I've read many of the posts in this thread, that is exactly the message I would take away from the thread, and that's exactly what I was lampooning. I'm sick of reading blanket statements, mostly from the self-righteous Right in this thread, about how 'all those people are all the same' or "The Democrats all support this" or "It's just a bunch of anarchists, they're all anarchists". [/quote] Funny where ever I see you speak of Republicans, Conservatives or Tea Party members it always seems negative. Although limited personal observation may imply to some you think all of them are bad doesn't mean that is true for you. And I don't believe the so-called [i]self-righteous Right[/i] in this thread is as guilty as you make out. And whats up with the 'self-righteous Right' label? Making such labels seems to be counter producitive to the point you're trying to make. Where did someone state or actually imply that all Democrats are pro-OWS, all Nazis are pro-OWS, all Communists are pro-OWS, and all veterans are pro-OWS? Have I actually missed these? And who said "The Democrats all support this" or "It's just a bunch of anarchists, they're all anarchists"? Did I miss these too? I tried to do a quick search of the thread and couldn't find the posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 That's cause you're a conservative dumdum head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamiller42 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318968426' post='2323305'] I see what you did there. You automatically assumed I was trying to say every single person in each of those groups supports it. Which I wasn't. [/quote] I thought Ron Paul was a republican with a libertarian bias and not "republicans." In other Occupier news.... [url="http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20121500-245/citigroup-ceo-targeted-by-hackers-over-protest-arrests/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20"]Occupiers practice techno terrorism[/url]. [url="http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/occupy_wall_street_quiz.html"]New York Magazine shows the protesters are not the sharpest tools in the shed[/url]. Let the occupiers enlighten us... [media='']http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tuFQuEwJ5xI[/media] Occupiers want jobs? Say big business won't give them? [url="http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2011/10/18/600000-manufacturing-jobs-unfilled.html?ana=RSS&s=article_search&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+bizj_dallas+%28Dallas+Business+Journal%29&utm_content=Google+Reader"]Here's 600,000[/url]. Get to work! Oh wait... [quote]The vast majority of demonstrators are actually employed, and the proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%). [url="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362.html"]Source[/url] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1318971934' post='2323334'] Funny where ever I see you speak of Republicans, Conservatives or Tea Party members it always seems negative. Although limited personal observation may imply to some you think all of them are bad doesn't mean that is true for you. And I don't believe the so-called [i]self-righteous Right[/i] in this thread is as guilty as you make out. And whats up with the 'self-righteous Right' label? Making such labels seems to be counter producitive to the point you're trying to make. Where did someone state or actually imply that all Democrats are pro-OWS, all Nazis are pro-OWS, all Communists are pro-OWS, and all veterans are pro-OWS? Have I actually missed these? And who said "The Democrats all support this" or "It's just a bunch of anarchists, they're all anarchists"? Did I miss these too? I tried to do a quick search of the thread and couldn't find the posts. [/quote] So a few quick notes: 1) Yes, I get your point about "limited personal observation", and in my limited observation in this thread, all I see is news links and personal commentaries about how it's all the Democrats, anti-semites, etc. 2) Your non-adbusters links are lifted, almost every single thing, word for word, off of Drudge Report. They've mostly been from the right hand of the screen below the word "Report", sometimes as the main headline. As much as you may think I hate conservatives, I read it on a daily basis as a news portal. Matt Drudge may intentionally manipulate his headlines to cause various reactions at points, but he does breaking news wickedly fast. My favorite example being "Thousands of Muslims converge on Six Flags in Houston..." It was all in caps. When one clicked the article, it went to a Houston Chronicle piece about Muslim Family Peace Day or something to that effect. 3) Like how you italicize in the copy/paste job where there was no Italics prior. 4) In reply to what posts seem to imply the protesters as a monolithic group, a few would be posts: 34, 48, 190 (against Canadians). 5) For someone who always hates on Conservatism, the Tea Party, and Republicans I sure am conservative. I worked on a Republican United States Senate campaign. I'm pro-life. I vote my conscience instead of party lines. I'm a Catholic faithful to the teachings of the Church. My favorite President was Ronald Reagan. I do, however, believe that President Eisenhower's warning about the military-industrial complex was quite prescient. I do think that Reagan would not be elected by today's standards, not because he wasn't Republican enough, but because he would be smeared off the stage of the debates; and that goes for if he got the Republican nomination too, the Democrats run dirtier campaigns now than they did back then. The Bush administration got us into two wars and passed the Patriot Act that severly hinders civil rights (it's been mainly used against drug dealers btw, almost never on terrorists). But the Patriot Act was passed by, at that point, and overwhelmingly Democratic Congress. The Obama administration has continued those wars, furthered the drone war over Pakistani soil, gotten us involved in the Libyan Revolution, and is now sending troops against quite possibly the most vile military force in the world, The Lord's Resistance Army. For a guy who ran on troop draw downs, he's sure expanding our military efforts even as he draws down troops in Iraq. I also think that taking the title "patriot" like the Tea Party "patriots" do, does not make you patriotic. For me, patriotism is respecting the Constitution and understanding that we have a system in place of checks and balances. It's loving this nation, whether we think it's on the right course or the wrong course, and believing we have a need to change it through non-violent means. Patriotism does not mean being allowed to openly carry a firearm at political rallies in the nation's capital, but it is a sign of our freedoms that people are allowed to do so. Just as it is a sign of our freedoms that those in the Left are allowed to do these Occupy rallies, without the firearms and in their place, Guy Fawkes masks. (Probably the hipsters primarily wearing them would be horrified to learn that Warner Brothers owns the rights to said masks, and every time they buy one, they support a mega-corporation.) Also, for someone so against conservatism, I took a great deal of effort to track down something to back Red's point up about George Soros providing some of the OWS funding. But seeing as how you read this entire thread, you knew that already. 6) To paraphrase Soc in post 94, it doesn't matter who is in charge. They're still in bed with the corporations. We all choose to see what we choose to see; by the television news we watch, by the websites we view, by the people we speak with. Case in point, MSNBC and Fox News. I rarely watch either of them, because they cater to a very specific segment of their respective demographics that I don't fall into (Though I have posted Fox News links in this thread). When President Bush was in office, MSNBC was all about how evil the government was and I half expected to hear him compared to Hitler on the air, but as soon as President Obama entered office, it became the government's cheerleader and I nearly expected them to start hawking the Saint Obama candles that some people were selling when I was last in San Diego. When President Bush was in office, I half expected Fox News to declare him the Messiah in their fervor of being pro-government, but once President Obama entered into office, they became rabidly anti-government. And now that I'm done spending a good hour of my life replying, I'm done with this thread. I have better and more important things to do than defend whether I'm Conservative enough to people on the internet. This thread has essentially been and continues to be summed up by this XKCD comic panel: [img]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6067/6027755162_87e38e4708.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']So a few quick notes: 1) Yes, I get your point about "limited personal observation", and in my limited observation in this thread, all I see is news links and personal commentaries about how it's all the Democrats, anti-semites, etc.[/quote] I am still perplexed by what seems to be a contradiction in your stance. Why is it ok for you to say thinks like "all I see" and "mostly from the self-righteous right" when your arguing against that type of behavior? Would it make you feel better if some of those self-righteous in this thread said that the OWSers are mostly Democrats, mostly Marxists, mostly anti-Semitic? I still don't believe the so-called self-righteous Right in this thread is as guilty as you make out. I'm likely the one that has brought up the anti-Semitism connect to and found at numerous times at the OWS events. And since you say "all I see is news links and personal commentaries about how it's all the Democrats, anti-semites" I'm one of the self-righteous in this thread or you've not read any post I've made. I never said all of the OWSer's are anti-Semitic. I brought it up for a couple of reasons one I don't like racism. Two there was in this thread and in the Media a comparison to the Tea Party. But the same standards used to judge the Tea Party were being forgotten and thrown out when it came to OWC. I brought up the subject numerous times because it has been a numerous problem at OWS events. This level of anti-Semitic bull would never be allowed at a Tea Party event. It would have been used to paint members of the Tea Party as mostly if not all racists. Never was my point to paint all of the OWSer as anti-Semitic. But to point out the absolute hypocrisy of the standards used to judge the Tea Party no longer matter when it comes to OWS. [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']2) Your non-adbusters links are lifted, almost every single thing, word for word, off of Drudge Report. They've mostly been from the right hand of the screen below the word "Report", sometimes as the main headline.[/quote] Sounds like another blanketed statement, because I've not really used Drudge that much. I'm sure I have used a couple but not almost every single thing. Almost every single thing I posted came from searching the News wires. To be honest though I did use Drudge to get to the search engine for the News wires. I used regular Google too and different Jewish sites. [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']As much as you may think I hate conservatives, [/quote] I would stick with what I said that you seem to dislike not hate most of the conservatives I've heard you speak about. [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']I read it on a daily basis as a news portal. Matt Drudge may intentionally manipulate his headlines to cause various reactions at points, but he does breaking news wickedly fast. My favorite example being "Thousands of Muslims converge on Six Flags in Houston..." It was all in caps. When one clicked the article, it went to a Houston Chronicle piece about Muslim Family Peace Day or something to that effect.[/quote] Ok, but again Drudge isn't the only news outlet I read either. I can think of few News outlets that don't in some degree use a hook in the headline. [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']3) Like how you italicize in the copy/paste job where there was no Italics prior.[/quote] I meant to put it in bold, sorry. [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']4) In reply to what posts seem to imply the protesters as a monolithic group, a few would be posts: 34, 48, 190 (against Canadians).[/quote] Three posts are "mostly", three posts are 'all you can see'? [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']5) For someone who always hates on Conservatism, the Tea Party, and Republicans I sure am conservative. I worked on a Republican United States Senate campaign. I'm pro-life. I vote my conscience instead of party lines. I'm a Catholic faithful to the teachings of the Church. My favorite President was Ronald Reagan.[/quote] See how a limited personal observation can miss so much? In the same manner I don't believe the people you accuse of being self-righteous are guilty of that. [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']I do, however, believe that President Eisenhower's warning about the military-industrial complex was quite prescient. I do think that Reagan would not be elected by today's standards, not because he wasn't Republican enough, but because he would be smeared off the stage of the debates; and that goes for if he got the Republican nomination too, the Democrats run dirtier campaigns now than they did back then.[/quote] I like Ike too. I do believe Reagan would win in a landslide again. I don't believe he'd be smeared off the stage. [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']I also think that taking the title "patriot" like the Tea Party "patriots" do, does not make you patriotic. [/quote] That is another blanketed statement. This could be seen as you stating all the Tea Party patriots are not patriots and are unpatriotic. Edited October 19, 2011 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']For me, patriotism is respecting the Constitution and understanding that we have a system in place of checks and balances. It's loving this nation, whether we think it's on the right course or the wrong course, and believing we have a need to change it through non-violent means. [/quote] As a member of the Tea Party, I can say that is the message of the Tea Party as I have understood it. [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']Patriotism does not mean being allowed to openly carry a firearm at political rallies in the nation's capital, but it is a sign of our freedoms that people are allowed to do so. [/quote] The Tea Party respects the Constitution and recognizes the right of the people to keep and bear Arms. You're bringing up just the type of standard that was used to judge the Tea Party that is not being used to judge OWS. The extremism of OWS is brushed away while the Tea Party's was magnified. Having sex in public, brushed away, running around nude, brushed away, spiting on people, brushed away, taking dumps on cop cars, brushed away, ranting agains the jews, brushed away. [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']Just as it is a sign of our freedoms that those in the Left are allowed to do these Occupy rallies, without the firearms and in their place, Guy Fawkes masks. (Probably the hipsters primarily wearing them would be horrified to learn that Warner Brothers owns the rights to said masks, and every time they buy one, they support a mega-corporation.)[/quote] Everyone in the United States has the right to protest. [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']Also, for someone so against conservatism, I took a great deal of effort to track down something to back Red's point up about George Soros providing some of the OWS funding. But seeing as how you read this entire thread, you knew that already.[/quote] I said quite clearly "I tried to do a quick search of the thread". [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318976926' post='2323379']And now that I'm done spending a good hour of my life replying, I'm done with this thread. I have better and more important things to do than defend whether I'm Conservative enough to people on the internet. [/quote] I think you should recall I used my "limited personal observation" of what you've stated about conservatives to get you to think about accusing others of being self-righteous. God Bless Brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1318872151' post='2322735'] The protest was originally organized by Adbusters, a radical leftist Canadian group. [/quote] Does this mean we finally have an excuse to invade Canada so that we can let them have freedom of religion and speech ? (Although we will probabaly need to wait until January 2013 to do so) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted October 21, 2011 Share Posted October 21, 2011 I just wanted to share this with everyone, I thought it was very relevent: [img]http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/307165_10150310878642644_512892643_7669413_26818071_n.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 [quote name='BG45' timestamp='1318879490' post='2322806'] So who supports OWS, or at least says that it understands why they're protesting? Let's see: [url="http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/figures-nazi-party-throws-support-behind-occupy-wall-street-movement/"]Commies[/url], [url="http://www.theblaze.com/stories/american-nazi-party-endorses-occupy-wall-streets-courage-tells-members-to-support-protests-and-fight-judeo-capitalist-banksters/"]Nazis[/url], [url="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/05/ron-paul-calls-occupy-wall-street-a-legitimate-effort/"]Republicans[/url], [url="http://nation.foxnews.com/democrats/2011/10/17/ems-deepen-associations-occupy-movement"]Democrats[/url], [url="http://m.christianpost.com/news/occupy-wall-street-joined-by-christian-protest-group-57261/"]Christians[/url], [url="http://m.christianpost.com/news/occupy-wall-street-joined-by-christian-protest-group-57261/"]celebrities[/url], [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/occupy-colleges-occupy-wall-street_n_1008619.html"]students[/url], [url="http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-11/wall_street/30265981_1_class-warfare-protesters-pimco"]the manager of the world's largest bond fund[/url], [url="http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-four-charts-that-explain-what-the-protesters-are-angry-about-2011-10"]media mogul Henry Blodget[/url], [url="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-05/blackrock-chief-fink-defends-occupy-wall-street-protesters.html"]the head of the world's biggest asset management firm[/url], [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8svbm4WYmU&feature=youtu.be"]economist Jeffery Sachs[/url], [url="http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/05/336510/bernanke-occupy-wall-street/"]Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke[/url], [url="http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/11/iraq_veterans_at_occupy_wall_street"]veterans[/url], and [url="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2046314/Occupy-Wall-Street-protests-Senior-citizens-veterans-NYs-streets.html"]senior citizens[/url]. [/quote] If Commies, Nazis, Washington politicians, Walls Street bankers, and Fed chairmen all support it, it's got to be a swell cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 If veterans, senior citizens, christians, conservatives and economists all support it, it's got to be a terrible cause. lol selective bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 If diving Canadians support it, it's probably dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadiseFound Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 In London, they're protesting outside St. Paul's Cathedral and they might have to close it temporarily...Because, as everyone knows, 300-year old cathedrals are symbols are symbols of modern corporate greed (lolwut?). Perhaps they got 'capitalism' confused with 'Catholicism'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 22, 2011 Share Posted October 22, 2011 Perhaps they got fascism (which is what they're actually protesting) confused with capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 "[i]Fascism[/i] should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and [i]corporate[/i] power." - Benito [i]Mussolini[/i] [img]http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315806_2549725143408_1262229679_33018164_523586113_n.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted October 23, 2011 Share Posted October 23, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1319307929' post='2325229'] Perhaps they got fascism (which is what they're actually protesting) confused with capitalism. [/quote] Capitalism is not so much a problem, as corporatism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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