Occupy Wall Street Baloney

[MIKolbe]

a few people decide whether to print more $. If they do, inflation happens and the money I have is worth less. These are also the people who own the police, courts, military, et al.

We should rack up debt, as a nation... then print a whole bunch of money, then; what we owe..we would then owe less because of inflation!!! That would be a great pla....HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1322321747' post='2340748']
a few people decide whether to print more $. If they do, inflation happens and the money I have is worth less. These are also the people who own the police, courts, military, et al.

We should rack up debt, as a nation... then print a whole bunch of money, then; what we owe..we would then owe less because of inflation!!! That would be a great pla....HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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The sad part is that people like Bernanke believe that...

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1322262053' post='2340452']
I think the point was that people need to get out of the whole entitlement mentality, and stop demanding an ever-growing lists of entitlements and "services" from the government. This entitlement mentality is largely responsible for getting us into this mess, and is on display among those OWS people demanding more entitlements and action from the government.

Every time the government creates a new "service," it gains it size, power . . . and expense to the public.

Basically, get off your butt and do something yourself to make things better, rather than sitting around demanding that the government do more to "serve" you.

Today's leftists are like a bunch of whiny, bratty kids, screaming and "rebelling" against their parents, while insisting on living on home and demanding their parents give them more and more stuff because life isn't "fair."


While I'm certainly no follower of the cult of "Saint Kennedy," I think JFK was spot on in that saying.
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[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SwKxUz7osM"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SwKxUz7osM[/url]

[Norseman82]

[quote name='MIkolbe' timestamp='1322321747' post='2340748']
a few people decide whether to print more $. If they do, inflation happens and the money I have is worth less. These are also the people who own the police, courts, military, et al.

We should rack up debt, as a nation... then print a whole bunch of money, then; what we owe..we would then owe less because of inflation!!! That would be a great pla....HEY WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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What's with the 1970's nostalgia here? In one other thread we were discussing 70's liturgical music, now we are discussing 70's economics.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1322352971' post='2340903']

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SwKxUz7osM[/media]
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I bet he stopped carrying that sign after that.

I'm not going to say that the [i]entire[/i] OWS movement doesn't know what they're protesting or what they want, but that guy certainly does not.

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[img]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d160/wisper3/wallstreetoccupodo.jpg[/img] star OWS (bowel) movement

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='add' timestamp='1322356143' post='2340907']
[img]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d160/wisper3/wallstreetoccupodo.jpg[/img] star OWS (bowel) movement
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I like the obvious parallels between the Galactic Empire and the American Empire. Getting the troops off of Tatooine would have been a good idea.

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[img]http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d160/wisper3/22353_321861166916_569156916_4092118_3247723_n.jpg[/img]OWS sign

[Nihil Obstat]

I don't think war ended communism, and most other countries got rid of slavery long before the war in the US. Britain and Ireland, for instance, abolished slavery in 1807, and nobody went to war over it.

[LaPetiteSoeur]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1322360851' post='2340944']
I don't think war ended communism, and most other countries got rid of slavery long before the war in the US. Britain and Ireland, for instance, abolished slavery in 1807, and nobody went to war over it.
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*LPS sneaks in*
I'm here only for a sec to say that the movie [i]Amazing Grace[/i] does a very good job discussing the British and Irish end of the slave trade. Everyone should see it.
*LPS sneaks out*

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='LaPetiteSoeur' timestamp='1322367616' post='2341059']

*LPS sneaks in*
I'm here only for a sec to say that the movie [i]Amazing Grace[/i] does a very good job discussing the British and Irish end of the slave trade. Everyone should see it.
*LPS sneaks out*
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I would be interested in seeing that. What's the general plot?

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1322352971' post='2340903']

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SwKxUz7osM[/media]
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That dude is Indonesian or Indian or something. How is college not free for him already?

(Answer: must be he's dumb as a brick)

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1322370331' post='2341089']
That dude is Indonesian or Indian or something. How is college not free for him already?

(Answer: must be he's dumb as a brick)
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He's probably in femino-Marxist anthro art history dance studies.

[LaPetiteSoeur]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1322370141' post='2341085']
I would be interested in seeing that. What's the general plot?
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It is about Wilber Wilberforce, the British politician who made it his life's work to end the slave trade in Great Britain. He was inspired by John Newton, the author of [i]Amazing Grace[/i] and his childhood preacher. There are tons of very well-known actors and actresses in it. It is based on a true story and is phenominally done. I tend to watch a few times a year, just to remind myself how hard it was to end such an abominable trade. I also cry throughout most of the film.

Here's the trailer, if I can finally figure out how to embed it.

Since I can't figure out how to embed it, here's the link. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Cv5P9H9qU[/media] Oh hey! It embeded itself. Sneaky phorum.

Edited November 27, 2011 by LaPetiteSoeur

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='LaPetiteSoeur' timestamp='1322371362' post='2341101']

It is about Wilber Wilberforce, the British politician who made it his life's work to end the slave trade in Great Britain. He was inspired by John Newton, the author of [i]Amazing Grace[/i] and his childhood preacher. There are tons of very well-known actors and actresses in it. It is based on a true story and is phenominally done. I tend to watch a few times a year, just to remind myself how hard it was to end such an abominable trade. I also cry throughout most of the film.

Here's the trailer, if I can finally figure out how to embed it.

Since I can't figure out how to embed it, here's the link. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Cv5P9H9qU[/media] Oh hey! It embeded itself. Sneaky phorum.
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Very coo[color=#000000]l[/color].

Edited November 27, 2011 by Nihil Obstat

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[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1322318576' post='2340733']
Explain the workings of the Federal Reserve.[/quote]
The federal reserve stabilizes the market. Established in the year 1913 for said reason.
As far as can see the FR is benificial to rich and poor alike.
Liike I stated earlier, I have been blessed with the ability to marry and procreate and I may not have money in the bank, I do have the richness of being a father and knowing the joys of work/ earning a living and self worth
I live on the low end of the 99%, and proud of it.
All that glitters is not gold!

[Socrates]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1322268406' post='2340490']
one of the founding principles of the OWS protests was against corporate money buying political power, that simply being wealthy gave you exponentially more influence on the government than the average person, often through illegal means.

Another was addressing how the rich are not held accountable for their crimes in the same manner as everyone else, if at all. When a "commoner" steals, it is a bit from a few people, and earns him a roughing up by police and decades doing hard jail time. When a CEO steals, it is millions of dollars from thousands of people, and if he gets any attention at all, it is a polite walk to a minimum security prison for a few months.

addressing either of these concerns could not possibly be construed as being "entitled" or wanting handouts. those are real issues of institutionalized inequality.
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"The Rich" don't commit crimes. Specific persons commit crimes.

Again, if you have evidence of specific crimes by specific persons then press charges and have them prosecuted.

Of course, that will require gathering evidence, building a case, hiring attorneys, etc., which of course is a lot more work and a lot less fun than hard-partying in public parks.

Vague, sweeping, unsubstantiated accusations against nameless, faceless collectives are legally worthless and will accomplish nothing.

To my knowledge, all those days of wild partying in the park and brawling with cops hasn't put away one single rich crook.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='add' timestamp='1322431705' post='2341266']
The federal reserve stabilizes the market. Established in the year 1913 for said reason.
As far as can see the FR is benificial to rich and poor alike.
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[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1322444485' post='2341372']
"The Rich" don't commit crimes. Specific persons commit crimes.

Again, if you have evidence of specific crimes by specific persons then press charges and have them prosecuted.

Of course, that will require gathering evidence, building a case, hiring attorneys, etc., which of course is a lot more work and a lot less fun than hard-partying in public parks.

Vague, sweeping, unsubstantiated accusations against nameless, faceless collectives are legally worthless and will accomplish nothing.

To my knowledge, all those days of wild partying in the park and brawling with cops hasn't put away one single rich crook.
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i think i need to adjust my sights down a bit...

did i ever say that it was just about "the rich" committing crimes? nope. people from all walks of life commit crimes, and no one i know of is protesting about that. The real concern is the different way in which those criminals are treated, according to their wealth and social stature. The crime of theft for instance is not evenly prosecuted or punished in this regard. That, there is a problem, a problem of the structuring of our society, laws, policing, etc.

i would be interested if you could try and disprove that.

campaign contributions leading to kickbacks also mean that a rich man's vote means much much more than a poor man's vote, and that is just wrong.

you may disagree with their methods, or their effectiveness(things i would likely agree on), but you arent going to get far with the argument that their concerns are all invalid.

[Socrates]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1322461961' post='2341521']

i think i need to adjust my sights down a bit...

did i ever say that it was just about "the rich" committing crimes? nope. people from all walks of life commit crimes, and no one i know of is protesting about that. The real concern is the different way in which those criminals are treated, according to their wealth and social stature. The crime of theft for instance is not evenly prosecuted or punished in this regard. That, there is a problem, a problem of the structuring of our society, laws, policing, etc.

i would be interested if you could try and disprove that.[/quote]
I'm under no obligation to disprove assertions given without evidence.

If you're going to make accusations, the burden of proof is on you to prove them correct. Logic 101.

I'm afraid it's the proposed "restructuring" of laws and such that I have a problem with.

[quote]campaign contributions leading to kickbacks also mean that a rich man's vote means much much more than a poor man's vote, and that is just wrong.[/quote]
Every campaign needs contributions in order to continue, unless the candidate himself has vast stores of his own wealth. The problem with laws controlling campaign contributions is that in practice they would only grant more power to those currently in government power. Abuse of such laws is not a possibility, but a certainty, and that's true whatever party is in power. It's the fox guarding the henhouse. The federal government should not dictate how private citizens spend their own money.

If you want to go after politicians giving kickbacks, fine, but that would include going after Obama, who's certainly granted his share of corporate bail-outs. Putting crooked politicians in charge of cleaning up corruption is a bad joke.

[quote]you may disagree with their methods, or their effectiveness(things i would likely agree on), but you arent going to get far with the argument that their concerns are all invalid.[/quote]
The ends don't justify the means. (That's presuming there are any clearly defined ends which I could support, and thus far there are not.) The road to hell is paved with good intentions.