Trayvon Martin

[CrossCuT]

Then why do you bring up his personal life? How does that factor into his death? Why is that important to this conversation at atll?

[PhuturePriest]

Then why do you bring up his personal life? How does that factor into his death? Why is that important to this conversation at atll?

 

Because something might have happened that we don't know about. We need to investigate free of bias, and of course be understanding, forgiving, and merciful no matter the truth. I'm not saying if Zimmerman is in fact a racist and shot Trayvon in cold blood he should get away with it, but if it does turn out that that is what happened, there isn't a doubt on anyone's mind that the media will make this guy out to be worse than Hitler.

[CrossCuT]

Because something might have happened that we don't know about. We need to investigate free of bias, and of course be understanding, forgiving, and merciful no matter the truth. I'm not saying if Zimmerman is in fact a racist and shot Trayvon in cold blood he should get away with it, but if it does turn out that that is what happened, there isn't a doubt on anyone's mind that the media will make this guy out to be worse than Hitler.

 

So youre making assumptions about his character because you believe that is grounds to assume that he did something to warrant his own death?

[PhuturePriest]

So youre making assumptions about his character because you believe that is grounds to assume that he did something to warrant his own death?

 

We need to go re-read my original post about not letting our emotions get the best of us. I never said anything of the sort. To say I think he did something to warrant his death is an attack on my character, and I do not appreciate that at all.

[CrossCuT]

Then dont bring up his character. 

[PhuturePriest]

Then dont bring up his character. 

 

Why do people bring up Zimmerman's character? In order to figure out all of the blank spots, yes? It's important to look into character. I've seen teenagers and adults who didn't particularly do anything wrong, but walked about with an attitude as if they were about to make some trouble. Is that what Trayvon was doing? Is that something he often did? There is a reason that Zimmerman followed him, whether it was racism, racial profiling, being on a power trip, or perhaps Trayvon was walking around with such an air about him. We can't make judgments on either person until we find out all of the facts about what happened, and about the people themselves. That is why character matters.

[CrossCuT]

Zimmerman has on many occasions displayed his character. There are no assumptions.

[NotreDame]

Then dont bring up his character. 

 

Why not?  It's very relevant, even to the legal discussion:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_evidence#Character_evidence_offered_by_the_defendant
 

"...Character evidence is also admissible in a criminal trial if offered by a defendant as circumstantial evidence—through reputation or opinion evidence—to show an alleged victim's "pertinent" character trait—for example, to support defendant's claim of self-defense to a charge of homicide."

[NotreDame]

Zimmerman has on many occasions displayed his character.

 

Like when he protested the police for beating a homeless black man?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman

 

"In early 2011, Zimmerman participated in a citizen forum at the Sanford City Hall, to protest the beating of a black homeless man by the son of a white Sanford police officer. During the meeting, Zimmerman claimed he witnessed "disgusting behavior" while in ride-along program with local police;"

 

Yep, pretty obvious example of being a horrible person.

 

[CrossCuT]

Everyone can change...Zimmerman seems to have.

 

Unfortunately Trayvon will never get that chance  because his life was taken away from him.

[Guest]

Ya I'm sure Trayvon was walking home from the store with a I'm the ish walk and don't flop with me....And he was walking like this just because.....Anyhow I doubt it....Zimmerman was on his pills rollin around with his gun and following the " black thug" walking around at 7:30 at night....And he even had his hood up in the rain....Wow the nerve of this kid....And Zimmerman tried to keep the peace and said hey buddy I'm a neighborhood watch can you tell me what you're up too ? Na....Zimmerman didn't do that.....I'm pretty sure but not certain Zimmerman approached him with an attitude....Because that's who Zimmerman is....Zimmerman is the guy who puts a shotgun in his girlfriends face he is living with...He pushes her outside and puts furniture in front of the door so she can't get in....He breaks her table....Zimmerman is the guy who's ex wife says she doubts his innocence....Zimmerman puts his hands on an undercover cop when his friend gets arrested for underage drinking.....Pretty sure Zimmerman bit off more then he could chew and got his ass kicked by Trayvon when he followed and stalked the kid.....And then he had "no choice" but to shoot the black thug....Hey "cops" gotta do what they gotta do....

Edited November 20, 2013 by Guest

[ardillacid]

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[Guest]

What's that supposed to represent ?

[PhuturePriest]

What's that supposed to represent ?

 

A bird.

[Guest]

What else

[Semper Catholic]

Good lord are people actually defending this dirt bag still?

[Guest]

Yea its amazing....

[God the Father]

Thread makes no sense to me; I can't read cursive

[southern california guy]

Ya I'm sure Trayvon was walking home from the store with a I'm the ish walk and don't flop with me....And he was walking like this just because.....Anyhow I doubt it....Zimmerman was on his pills rollin around with his gun and following the " black thug" walking around at 7:30 at night....And he even had his hood up in the rain....Wow the nerve of this kid....And Zimmerman tried to keep the peace and said hey buddy I'm a neighborhood watch can you tell me what you're up too ? Na....Zimmerman didn't do that.....I'm pretty sure but not certain Zimmerman approached him with an attitude....Because that's who Zimmerman is....Zimmerman is the guy who puts a shotgun in his girlfriends face he is living with...He pushes her outside and puts furniture in front of the door so she can't get in....He breaks her table....Zimmerman is the guy who's ex wife says she doubts his innocence....Zimmerman puts his hands on an undercover cop when his friend gets arrested for underage drinking.....Pretty sure Zimmerman bit off more then he could chew and got his ass kicked by Trayvon when he followed and stalked the kid.....And then he had "no choice" but to shoot the black thug....Hey "cops" gotta do what they gotta do....

 

I was actually a Zimmerman supporter...  He sure played the innocent role well..  Poor Trayvon..

[Pliny]

Ya I'm sure Trayvon was walking home from the store with a I'm the ish walk and don't flop with me....And he was walking like this just because.....Anyhow I doubt it....Zimmerman was on his pills rollin around with his gun and following the " black thug" walking around at 7:30 at night....And he even had his hood up in the rain....Wow the nerve of this kid....And Zimmerman tried to keep the peace and said hey buddy I'm a neighborhood watch can you tell me what you're up too ? Na....Zimmerman didn't do that.....I'm pretty sure but not certain Zimmerman approached him with an attitude....Because that's who Zimmerman is....Zimmerman is the guy who puts a shotgun in his girlfriends face he is living with...He pushes her outside and puts furniture in front of the door so she can't get in....He breaks her table....Zimmerman is the guy who's ex wife says she doubts his innocence....Zimmerman puts his hands on an undercover cop when his friend gets arrested for underage drinking.....Pretty sure Zimmerman bit off more then he could chew and got his ass kicked by Trayvon when he followed and stalked the kid.....And then he had "no choice" but to shoot the black thug....Hey "cops" gotta do what they gotta do....

 

Much of what is said here about Zimmerman's character is because of the advantage of hindsight but it still doesn't alter the facts of what happened that night.

 

His head was a bloody mess and he was being beaten to death.  Was he supposed to just surrender his life because he made the alleged mistake of following Martin?

 

Or let's say he did approach Martin "with and attitude."  That means what?  That Martin is then free to do whatever he wants to Zimmerman and he's supposed to be his punching bag?  He's supposed to let his head be smashed into the pavement how many times?

Edited November 29, 2013 by Pliny