Trayvon Martin

[Papist]

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Are you talking about the media jumping on certain stories for profit? Or do you mean the actual protest(s)? If you mean the protest, which one(s)?
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The media is always going to go for whatever gets them watched/read. And not the protests per se, but the "leaders" such as Jackson and Sharpton. I seriously doubt these two guys are interested in justice.They are professional protesters/agitators that use opportunities such has this to gain/keep their supporters.

[Adrestia]

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The media is always going to go for whatever gets them watched/read. And not the protests per se, but the "leaders" such as Jackson and Sharpton. I seriously doubt these two guys are interested in justice.They are professional protesters/agitators that use opportunities such has this to gain/keep their supporters.
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Ah. Now I understand what you meant. I think of Jackson & Sharpton in the same light as Ann Coulter & Bill O'Reilly. They started out as good people with good intentions, then people started listening to them, they developed an amount of influence and power - which became a source of profit, then the people around them stopped challenging them and holding them as accountable when they went a bit too far.

I occasionally see glimpses of old Coulter & old O'Reilly in their current stuff, but it's rare. Like Jackson & Sharpton, they have agendas, and sometimes lose sight of the forest for the trees.

I don't think their goal has changed in their minds, I just think they have become less grounded. Just my opinion.

[Papist]

[quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1334340149' post='2417110']
Ah. Now I understand what you meant. I think of Jackson & Sharpton in the same light as Ann Coulter & Bill O'Reilly. They started out as good people with good intentions, then people started listening to them, they developed an amount of influence and power - which became a source of profit, then the people around them stopped challenging them and holding them as accountable when they went a bit too far.

I occasionally see glimpses of old Coulter & old O'Reilly in their current stuff, but it's rare. Like Jackson & Sharpton, they have agendas, and sometimes lose sight of the forest for the trees.

I don't think their goal has changed in their minds, I just think they have become less grounded. Just my opinion.
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I can't speak to Coulter or OReilly b/c I don't get the FNC nor them on radio, if they are on radio. Not that I'd watch/listen to them if I did. They are FNC are like all the others. But I do know that I do not see Coulter's or OReilly's mugs on TV spearheading these public outrages.

People assume that b/c I am a right-thinking person that I like/support FNC/Coulter/OReilly/Hannity/Rush/etc. That is not the case at all. Hannity I have NO respect for, especially as a Catholic. He just is a political right robot.

[Adrestia]

Maybe Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh would have been better examples than O'Reilly (in terms of spearheading public outrage). I do see the products of their work in the community. In my opinion, the right wing and the left wing are attached to the same bird, and they feed off each other for profit.

[Anomaly]

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In my opinion, the right wing and the left wing are attached to the same bird, and they feed off each other for profit.
[/quote]If that's your original phrase, you should get royalties. I'm so using it.

[Adrestia]

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If that's your original phrase, you should get royalties. I'm so using it.
[/quote]I'm not that creative, but I can't for the life of me remember when or where I heard it.

[Guest]

And the truth comes to light...

[CrossCuT]

I noticed a story that came out Sept 13th where the medical examiner claimed the wounds on Trayvon Martin were due to gun shots entering through his back. This means it was not "Stand your ground"...Trayvon was murdered.

 

Not only that but Mr. Zimmerman has quite a building record for gun violence. He recently threatened his new pregnant girlfriend with a gun.

 

He is a violent, disturbed man. I do not believe he deserves to have a gun anymore, its not safe for anyone.

[NotreDame]

Zimmerman has lived under months of death threats, he's had the president of the most powerful country in the world single him out as a murderer, he's had the US Attorney general recently threaten to bring him up on civil rights charges.  He can't work because nobody will employ him.  He has to be careful about going in public.  Given the death threats I'm not surprised he keeps a gun around him. It has to be very difficult for him.  I'm not surprised he is cracking under the pressure.

[CrossCuT]

He killed a boy in cold blood, he should have thought about what he was doing before he got out of his car, chased a boy down, and used lethal force.

If you own a gun and take pride in using it, you need to man up deal with what happens when it kills someone.

[NotreDame]

He killed a boy in cold blood, he should have thought about what he was doing before he got out of his car, chased a boy down, and used lethal force.

 

 

None of the evidence points to that and a jury didn't find him guilty of that.   The legal scholars who have commented on the case have said that it only even went to trial due to prosecutorial misconduct. 

[CrossCuT]

Regardless of all that, a boy still died as a result. Peoples lives shouldnt be taken so lightly. If you own a gun you need to be responsible because it is a weapon capable of taking life.

[PhuturePriest]

He killed a boy in cold blood, he should have thought about what he was doing before he got out of his car, chased a boy down, and used lethal force.

If you own a gun and take pride in using it, you need to man up deal with what happens when it kills someone.

 

"Chased a boy down" sounds like he started running him down and shot him when he got up close. Not even the most radical leaders of the anti-Zimmerman cause have ever claimed this.

 

I think that emotions run very high on both sides of the issue, and right now we need a lot less emotion and a lot more logic and clear thought. I'm not saying he is or isn't guilty; I am saying that people are too emotional to think clearly on the issue, and that means on both sides of the political spectrum. I am sick and tired of people on the left screaming racism and bloody murder, and I'm tired of people on the right screaming stand your ground laws. People in America need to stop being emotional basket cases and start thinking clearly.

Edited November 19, 2013 by FuturePriest387

[CrossCuT]

Youre right FP, its just hard because a boy lost his life over this ish.

 

Thats why Im emotional about it. :(

[PhuturePriest]

Youre right FP, its just hard because a boy lost his life over this ish.

 

Thats why Im emotional about it. :(

 

I understand completely. I wish nobody had died, regardless of age. I'm not convinced of either side so far, to be honest. Zimmerman was in the wrong for following him. I also don't approve that he followed him simply because he was black. However, according to his tweets, Trayvon wasn't exactly the peaceful angel the media has portrayed him to be.

[Guest]

The truth is coming out....Zimmerman is scum....Putting a shotgun in his "girlfriends" face he's living with....Pointing guns at his ex wife...Ect ect ect....

Edited November 19, 2013 by Guest

[Guest]

And Trayvon had some bad tweets lol Who gives a flop....The kid was walking home from getting a snack at 7:30 at night while it was raining with his hood up during half time of the nba all star game...And this freak stalks him and he ends up dead....

[PhuturePriest]

And Trayvon had some bad tweets lol Who gives a flop....The kid was walking home from getting a snack at 7:30 at night while it was raining with his hood up during half time of the nba all star game...And this freak stalks him and he ends up dead....

 

They were violent and racial tweets, so it does matter. I'm not saying he was acting shady when he was walking home with his Skittles or that he gave any reason to be stalked. I am saying, however, there is the possibility something happened that we don't know about. Or maybe he did nothing and was simply walking home minding his own business with no provocation to be followed. I lean towards that side, but I want to make sure I'm unbiased in this. 

 

I'm also not convinced that Zimmerman going to jail today is undeniable proof that he's always been a bad person. There are psychological factors to think about, here. He's been (Rightfully) afraid to go outside for some time now. It could have been that the stress of the trial caught up with him and he wasn't thinking clearly. I'm not saying this isn't proof that he has always been like this, but it's something to think about. We have to be open-minded to the truth, not biased towards what we think is the truth.

[CrossCuT]

They were violent and racial tweets, so it does matter.

 

No it doesnt matter. Racial tweets are not a death sentence. 

 

The biggest part of my frustration lies in the fact that people talk about Trayvons character as if it were justification for his death...or that somehow his actions were suppose to make us feel better that he died. "its ok, he sent racist tweets, skipped class, and did drugs"

 

So?

 

 

A lot of people do the same thing. We do not get to judge someones soul nor do we get to decide whether they live or die. Had Martin been able to live you  have NO idea what he could have become. 

[PhuturePriest]

No it doesnt matter. Racial tweets are not a death sentence. 

 

The biggest part of my frustration lies in the fact that people talk about Trayvons character as if it were justification for his death...or that somehow his actions were suppose to make us feel better that he died. "its ok, he sent racist tweets, skipped class, and did drugs"

 

So?

 

 

A lot of people do the same thing. We do not get to judge someones soul nor do we get to decide whether they live or die. Had Martin been able to live you  have NO idea what he could have become. 

 

I never said he deserved what he got for anything he might have done. He could have held Satanic rituals praising the name of Ba'al for all I care, he didn't deserve what happened in the slightest. I'm simply saying the media portrays him as an angelic cupcake who wouldn't have known what a Winchester was if you asked him. I'm not saying he was a gangster or anything; I don't know about his personal life. I'm simply saying people are too biased one way or the other to report on this subject.

Edited November 20, 2013 by FuturePriest387