Trayvon Martin

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1333540494' post='2412823']
EagleEye I disagree. Trayvon was innocent in the fact he was walking home. He has no criminal record. Also he was profiled because he was black and in a hoodie. Listen to the 911 tape. I'm not saying zimmerman is racist but its pretty clear he profiled Trayvon.
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He was profiled because he looked suspicious. People make such judgments all the time. It's not an inherently bad thing. It is how we survive.

Trayvon was likely guilty of looking sketchy. Is that a crime? No. But it means smart people pay attention to you.


[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1333541454' post='2412829']
I'm talking about the part where he says he's on drugs and up to no good. This was false and not true. He also says these a**h**** always get away. This was false and not true. Its very debatable but it sounds like he calls Trayvon a fu***** coon. I've heard it over and over and it sounds like it to me. His friend Joe on tv said he said goon. Doesn't sound like goon to me. So these are the things that make it pretty clear he profiled Trayvon in my book. Although I'm not saying he is a racist. You take all that coupled with the fact the investigator didn't believe him and wanted him arrested, plus the fact he didn't listen to the 911 operator and he was charged before with assulting an officer and domestic violence I think its pretty clear he should be arrested and go to trial. We will see what happens. Learning from the past I will reserve my judgment.
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Zimmerman was legit in calling 911 and paying attention to Martin because he deemed him to be sketchy.

From listening to the call, it sounds to me like Zimmerman says Martin "looks like he's on drugs and up to no good." He doesn't claim it as a fact.

Zimmerman royally messes up though in not just "standing his ground," but actively pursuing the guy. Proving why he had to pursue Martin will be next to impossible.

His statement on assuming Martin's guilt by saying "they always get away" is no help either.

If Zimmerman said "coon"....we'll that will be fun to defend as well. Although it's hard to tell between "goon." Probably have to give Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt here.

I would conjecture that Zimmerman at the least can be charged with unlawfully moving against someone. I would be interested in hearing why Zimmerman felt like he had to move in. I would think the only just reason for moving in would be to save your life or another immediate person's life, but neither seems to be the case here.

Since Zimmerman did kill Martin, I believe it's up to Zimmerman to prove Martin was a clear and present danger to his life. That will be difficult to prove.


I don't think you can prove Zimmerman was being racist. Merely saying that since their colors were different is not proof. And of course the white guy attacked so it's DEFINITELY racists... ...although I note that whenever black guys attack white guys, the racist card is never brought up for some reason...

Profiling someone is not bad. If I am walking down a street late at night, and an elderly lady is walking the opposite direction, I am not going to be too worried about getting mugged. If a am walking down a street and I see a young person huddled in their hoodie with something in their arms I can't quite make out, I am going to be quite concerned. This is common sense...

I do think you can prove that Zimmerman wrongfully killed Martin. If Zimmerman can prove Martin ran up to him and attacked him, then Zimmerman is fine....if not...well, then he's responsible.

My understanding of killing in self-defense is that it must be an obvious last resort situation where the other person is a clear threat to your life. This does not seem to be the case with Zimmerman, and he should be able to be prosecuted against for it.


This case logically does nothing against the 2nd amendment and those who want to defend themselves with a firearm. Zimmerman is a case of someone who forces a situation, and thus negates this about being a case about self-defense or stand your ground.

[Guest]

I respect your view Eagle and agree with aspects of it. Another thing though it was only a little past 7 pm. It was being falsely reported it was 3 am for awhile. I think it only being 7 pm makes Zimmerman look a lot worse also.

Edited April 4, 2012 by Guest

[cmotherofpirl]

This is what happens when politicians and the news media start a lynch mob mentality: [url="http://shovedtothem.blogspot.com/2012/03/failure-rate.html"]http://shovedtothem.blogspot.com/2012/03/failure-rate.html[/url]

[Anomaly]

Heard on the news today in Tampa that Zimmerman printed and distributed flyers calling for an investigation amd possible charges of Sanford police officers who were accused of beating a black homeless man a couple of years ago. Doesn't sound like a racist to me. More like a law and order zealot.

[Anomaly]

[size=5][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][sub]Here is a link [url="http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-2010-race-related-beating-for-officers-who-investigated-martin-shooting/"]http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-2010-race-related-beating-for-officers-who-investigated-martin-shooting/[/url] that provides a little more information regarding George Zimmerman handing out flyers calling for an investigation into the Sanford police beating of a black homeless man in 2010. This story came to light because Zimmerman's family wrote a letter to the NAACP begging them to lighten up with the claims of racism against George and offered this example of George's positive actions to call for justice for a black victim. By the way, the officer ended up paying for the medical bills of the man he beat.[/sub][/font][/size]

[Jesus_lol]

Has anyone seen how much the Brady Campaign (anti gun organization) has jumped all over this? Its the most pathetic and insulting grab at attention i have seen in a while.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1333688814' post='2413560']
Has anyone seen how much the Brady Campaign (anti gun organization) has jumped all over this? Its the most pathetic and insulting grab at attention i have seen in a while.
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IHMO, they're still 2nd to the New Black Panthers, all 6 of them.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1333688814' post='2413560']
Has anyone seen how much the Brady Campaign (anti gun organization) has jumped all over this? Its the most pathetic and insulting grab at attention i have seen in a while.
[/quote]Yeah. It's like they're treating an infected hangnail before working on the broken leg.

[eagle_eye222001]

[size=4][b][color=#000000][font=arial, sans-serif][left]Enhanced audio of George Zimmerman 911 call casts doubt about use of racial slur[/left][/font][/color][/b][/size]


[left][url="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/06/enhanced-audio-11-call-questions-if-george-zimmerman-used-racial-slur/?test=latestnews"]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/06/enhanced-audio-11-call-questions-if-george-zimmerman-used-racial-slur/?test=latestnews[/url][/left]

[left]CNN which at first reported that Zimmerman was likely using a racial slur is now rescinding their claim upon further examination of the audio call.[/left]


[left][url="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/06/controversial-media-matters-analyst-leaving-rather-than-harm-site-over-israel/?test=latestnews"]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/06/controversial-media-matters-analyst-leaving-rather-than-harm-site-over-israel/?test=latestnews[/url][/left]

[left][color=#000000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3]MJ Rosenberg, who also got into hot water for mistakenly accusing the [/size][/font][/color][url="http://www.foxnews.com/topics/drudge-report.htm#r_src=ramp"]Drudge Report[/url][color=#000000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=3] website of racism in coverage of the Trayvon Martin case, announced Friday on the Media Matters website that he was "striking out on my own with a brand new website and blog."[/size][/font][/color][/left]


[left][size=4][color=#000000][font=arial, sans-serif]At the end of the day, it looks like the most racists are those in the media. NBC, CNN, and now this guy are all guilty of claiming racism when in fact their reasons were bogus all along.[/font][/color][/size][/left]

[Adrestia]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' timestamp='1333788282' post='2413915']
[left][size=4][color=#000000][font=arial, sans-serif]At the end of the day, it looks like the most racists are those in the media. NBC, CNN, and now this guy are all guilty of claiming racism when in fact their reasons were bogus all along.[/font][/color][/size][/left]
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I do not think that most racists are in the media. I'm pretty sure that ABC, CBS & Fox are just like NBC and CNN - the only color they see is green. They all manipulate stories to increase ratings and profits. They pander to racists in society.

The media has given us a false dichotomy: People who think Zimmerman was justified are racists because they are defending the guy who shot an unarmed Black kid. People who think that Zimmerman was not justified are racists because they think Zimmerman only shot Martin because he was Black. There is a sizable number of poeple that don't fit this dichotomy. What about the people think Zimmerman's legal justification has nothing to do with Martin's race? They are not given a voice because they don't increase ratings.

Personally, I don't think Zimmerman was motivated by race, I think he was motivated by a wannabe-cop, superman complex. I originally thought that the cops resistance to arrest Zimmerman was racially motivated; but I now think that the state prosecutors failed to bring charges against Zimmerman because Florida has a track record of not punishing White people for kiling Black people, and they saw no reason to sully their conviction rate over Martin. I have no evidence for this, of the many ideas floating in my head it's the one that I think is most likely. I am likely to chnage my mind again when more evidence surfaces. In any event, I do believe that Zimmerman was not justified, I believe that his attempt to pursue Martin excludes him from "stand your ground" protection, regardless of race.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1333811549' post='2413976']
I do not think that most racists are in the media. I'm pretty sure that ABC, CBS & Fox are just like NBC and CNN - the only color they see is green. They all manipulate stories to increase ratings and profits. They pander to racists in society.

The media has given us a false dichotomy: People who think Zimmerman was justified are racists because they are defending the guy who shot an unarmed Black kid. People who think that Zimmerman was not justified are racists because they think Zimmerman only shot Martin because he was Black. There is a sizable number of poeple that don't fit this dichotomy. What about the people think Zimmerman's legal justification has nothing to do with Martin's race? They are not given a voice because they don't increase ratings.

Personally, I don't think Zimmerman was motivated by race, I think he was motivated by a wannabe-cop, superman complex. I originally thought that the cops resistance to arrest Zimmerman was racially motivated; but I now think that the state prosecutors failed to bring charges against Zimmerman because Florida has a track record of not punishing White people for kiling Black people, and they saw no reason to sully their conviction rate over Martin. I have no evidence for this, of the many ideas floating in my head it's the one that I think is most likely. I am likely to chnage my mind again when more evidence surfaces. In any event, I do believe that Zimmerman was not justified, I believe that his attempt to pursue Martin excludes him from "stand your ground" protection, regardless of race.
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How can it be racially motivated , Zimmerman is Hispanic?

[4588686]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1333824982' post='2414052']


How can it be racially motivated , Zimmerman is Hispanic?
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I really don't understand this. Is there some rule that Hispanics can't be racist? Any one can be a racist whatever their race.

[Winchester]

Hispanic is an ethnic group, not a race.

Also, Hispanics aren't from Bosnia.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1333827519' post='2414075']
I really don't understand this. Is there some rule that Hispanics can't be racist? Any one can be a racist whatever their race.
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Yes obviously anyone can be a racist, but the post said since there is a history of Florida not prosecuting WHITE on black crime, this doesn't qualify.

[4588686]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1333827848' post='2414079']
Hispanic is an ethnic group, not a race.

Also, Hispanics aren't from Bosnia.
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As Ivo Adric point out in his great work of historical fiction The Bridge on the Drina there were Spanish speaking Jews origionally from the Iberian Peninsula who lived in Bosnia for hundreds of years.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1333839412' post='2414135']
As Ivo Adric point out in his great work of historical fiction The Bridge on the Drina there were Spanish speaking Jews origionally from the Iberian Peninsula who lived in Bosnia for hundreds of years.
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Not really Hispanic.

[foundsheep]

[i]Eyes and Ears = Neighborhood watch. [/i]

[Winchester]

Now everything makes sense. Thanks.

[4588686]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1333840823' post='2414150']
Not really Hispanic.
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Admit nothing.
Deny everything.
Make counter-accusations.

You're not really Hispanic.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1333837879' post='2414119']


Yes obviously anyone can be a racist, but the post said since there is a history of Florida not prosecuting WHITE on black crime, this doesn't qualify.
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Like it was said earlier, Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Zimmerman is white & Hispanic.