Autumn Dusk Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1334238119' post='2416338'] i always wonder why white people are so suprised when something like this happens... i figure, its the sins of the white fathers of the past, resting on their children... so intense was that hatred for black people, so brutal its crimes, its going to take centuries before we no longer see the effects of slavery on this nation... ...not to mention the injustice blacks had to deal with 100 years AFTER slavery was abolished... you are always going to have this... when you have a person who is not black, committing any type of crime against a black person, you are going to have to deal with this kind of outrage... get used to it, its not going to go away anytime soon... (you have to think about it, too...when a black person commits a crime against a person who is not black... you see the opposite reaction... (ie OJ Simpson..) I am not saying I approve, I am saying I certainly understand why it happens... ...and I'm pretty sure we will see more of this happening again and again and again in our lifetimes... [/quote] But that's the truly sick thing! Irish were gravely mistreated. And the Japenesse were interned in camps with their land and all their possessons stolen from them. And the travesties done to the american inidians were far worse than what was done to the black men. So we have to figure a way out of this without hanging onto the hate, becuase if we do it will never go away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334238915' post='2416343'] But that's the truly sick thing! Irish were gravely mistreated. And the Japenesse were interned in camps with their land and all their possessons stolen from them. And the travesties done to the american inidians were far worse than what was done to the black men. So we have to figure a way out of this without hanging onto the hate, becuase if we do it will never go away [/quote] oh yeah, white people in the past hated on japanese, irish, indians, hispanics...are we missing anyone else?? it will go away...just not anytime soon... we're still too close to the past... where i live, whites stopped being openly racist only after we were well into the 1990's... (racism lost its hipness...it became un-razzle dazzle and frowned upon..) ...i know there are huge pockets in the south where its still pretty much the norm... i take it back...we will probably stop seeing the effects of all this hatred until after a couple of millenia have passed, not just a couple of centuries... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334238915' post='2416343'] So we have to figure a way out of this without hanging onto the hate, becuase if we do it will never go away [/quote]It'll never go away, because it's a crappy world where people get mistreated and screwed for a variety of reasons. You'd have to be super-human to not take it personally, especially when mistreatment is institutionalized. It's not easy or natural to forgive and forget and move on. I personally have difficulty not keeping my luggage full of past resentments, and I think I'm pretty typical. It's our life experiences that are the prisim we view the world around us. Often we forget what we're lugging around, then something happens and refreshes all our hurts we're still carrying. Just look at this thread and see the variety of opinons and emotional responses from a bunch of nice people who would all probably get along if we were at a park, grilling out, drinking beer, and chillin cause we wouldn't be picking through our bag of hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1334240253' post='2416362'] It'll never go away, because it's a crappy world where people get mistreated and screwed for a variety of reasons. You'd have to be super-human to not take it personally, especially when mistreatment is institutionalized. It's not easy or natural to forgive and forget and move on. I personally have difficulty not keeping my luggage full of past resentments, and I think I'm pretty typical. It's our life experiences that are the prisim we view the world around us. Often we forget what we're lugging around, then something happens and refreshes all our hurts we're still carrying. Just look at this thread and see the variety of opinons and emotional responses from a bunch of nice people who would all probably get along if we were at a park, grilling out, drinking beer, and chillin cause we wouldn't be picking through our bag of hurts. [/quote] Giving this case a rest and focusing on actual victims and murders of ALL violece committed in the US in the past month would go a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334235285' post='2416323']This poor guy is being given a 1800's style lynching.[/quote] Well, not yet anyway. [quote]I can't immagine being under that kind of psycological stress.[/quote] This kind of psychological pressure is going to drive some people crazy, yes. It certainly has Zimmerman. [quote]Death threats are also considered assult. (Battery is the physical carrying out). The guys who made the threats should be ARRESTED also.[/quote] Not always unfortunately. A lot of places still consider it to be freedom of speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1334241938' post='2416369'] Well, not yet anyway. This kind of psychological pressure is going to drive some people crazy, yes. It certainly has Zimmerman. Not always unfortunately. A lot of places still consider it to be freedom of speech. [/quote] [url="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/20/court-appeal-to-assassinate-obama-is-protected-speech/"]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/20/court-appeal-to-assassinate-obama-is-protected-speech/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1334235382' post='2416324'] Cule. What I describe as the difference between public outcry and public outrage. Outcry is the voice, outrage is the fist. Mob has negative emotionally charged connotation, while public is usually construed as relatively reasonable.[/quote] In my limited experience, "mob" = disagrees with outcome & "public" = agrees with outcome. [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1334235382' post='2416324']What's troubling, is the commitment to opinions that are based on limited, debatable, "facts". That's normal human nature, but the likelyhood of a negative outcome is exponentially increased when it's amplified in the public media arena that panders to strong emotion in order to sell soap and car advertisements. I hope the legal process drags out long enough for reason to temper emotion to the point that emotion doesn't overwelm reason when or if a legal verdict is rendered. [/quote] Me too! With a murder charge, it should. Those are rarely quick cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='r2Dtoo' timestamp='1334241938' post='2416369'] Not always unfortunately. A lot of places still consider it to be freedom of speech. [/quote] I think "speech" crosses a line when it's a direct, printed threat with a dollar value widely circulated and well known. The difference between C-mom's example and this is that the threat against Obama was much more vague and expressed sentiment rather than a direct, calculated call for someone to be executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Goo I don't get it ? Ha Help me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334235730' post='2416327'] The real problem here is the outrage for "white" on black violence when much more aggregious crimes are being commited in black and hispanic and even white communities. It's been made into a race issue. And let's face it, if this was a black man who shot a black teen NO ONE would really care, just like no one cares about the young men and even young children shot in cold blood in Detroit and Chicago and the asian violence in cali, the hispanic violence in texas and new Mexico. NO ONE CARES about those people. Where is the rage for them...some of the stories are far more sickening than Trayvon, and where one party is obvously (insted of spectativly) guilty. [/quote] This is nonsense. [url="http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-dont-black-people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/"]http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-dont-black-people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dusk Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 [quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1334257259' post='2416531'] This is nonsense. [url="http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-dont-black-people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/"]http://www.theatlant...iolence/255329/[/url] [/quote] Sorry. Yes there are marches. But no one is thretening killing a guy over it!!! This is being handled FAR Differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 (edited) By the way, public outrage against crime isn't covered by "news" agencies unless they see a profit in it. That's why the internet buzzed about Tayvon for weeks before a TV station gave a rat's rear end. There are marches and rallies all the time. Just use Google before making ignorant assumptions. Speaking of Google, do you seriously believe that death threats are unique to this case? Really? edit: I was about to put in the link for [u]Let Me Google That For You[/u], but decided that it might be viewed as insulting. Edited April 12, 2012 by Adrestia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 [quote name='Autumn Dusk' timestamp='1334238915' post='2416343'] But that's the truly sick thing! Irish were gravely mistreated. And the Japenesse were interned in camps with their land and all their possessons stolen from them. And the travesties done to the american inidians were far worse than what was done to the black men. So we have to figure a way out of this without hanging onto the hate, becuase if we do it will never go away [/quote] Until this tactic stops working, they will always play this trump card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 [quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1334257259' post='2416531'] This is nonsense. [url="http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/04/why-dont-black-people-protest-black-on-black-violence/255329/"]http://www.theatlant...iolence/255329/[/url] [/quote] Oh wait, so if something isn't shown on Fox then is might still have happened???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrestia Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1334327723' post='2416983'] Until this tactic stops working, they will always play this trump card. [/quote] Are you talking about the media jumping on certain stories for profit? Or do you mean the actual protest(s)? If you mean the protest, which one(s)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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