dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351810055' post='2502289'] Only if they're liberal baby-eating Satanists. [/quote] Can someone warn this guy for personal attacks already? Not it.
Winchester Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1351810611' post='2502300'] How is it not possible for someone not to care either way? [/quote] It just is, liberal. Read a book!
To Jesus Through Mary Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351809854' post='2502286'] Just you supporting Obama over Romney says it all. Of course people are worthy of God's forgiveness but only when they ask for it and repent. He also loves us as sinners, he certainly does not love our sins. [/quote] From the CCC (I gave this lesson to my 5th graders last week)- (bold and underlined are mine) [quote][b]1996[/b] Our justification comes from the grace of God. Grace is [i]favor,[/i] the [i]free and [u][b]undeserved[/b][/u] help[/i] that God gives us to respond to his call to become children of God, adoptive sons, partakers of the divine nature and of eternal life.[sup][url=""]46[/url][/sup] ([url=""]153[/url]) [/quote] We deserve hell. There is nothing short of it. We can never merit God's mercy and love. He did not create us because he had a need.
dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351810755' post='2502306'] It just is, liberal. Read a book! [/quote] I liked you better as Tom Selleck.
Winchester Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351810685' post='2502301'] Can someone warn this guy for personal attacks already? Not it. [/quote] That was impersonal, and it was a description. And you called me a 'moron', earlier. So get off your high horse, Punchy.
Freedom Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='To Jesus Through Mary' timestamp='1351810501' post='2502295'] None of us are worthy of God's love and forgiveness. I know this might be shocking... but not even you. [/quote] [mod]Personal attack. -dUSt[/mod] From what I know, God loves us, otherwise why would He send His Son to die to save us, would you do that without love in your heart?
qfnol31 Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351810802' post='2502308'] I liked you better as Tom Selleck. [/quote] If I were to make my smart comment to this I'd be warned and possibly banned.
Winchester Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351810802' post='2502308'] I liked you better as Tom Selleck. [/quote] Bert is amesome.
dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351810823' post='2502309'] And you called me a 'moron', earlier. So get off your high horse, Punchy. [/quote] And I was edited and warned for it. Now I demand that someone warn this guy. "So get off your high horse, Punchy." is a personal attack.
Aloysius Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 God loves us, we just don't deserve that love. We don't earn it by our own merits, God loves us freely despite our failures. Like many things in theology, this is the kind of thing that one can easily turn a phrase and accidentally miss some subtle distinction. As long as we recognize that we cannot earn God's love and that He loves us anyway, we should be good.
Winchester Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351810909' post='2502313'] And I was edited and warned for it. Now I demand that someone warn this guy. "So get off your high horse, Punchy." is a personal attack. [/quote] No. It's a request, and a nickname. Indicates you're tough. Like Rockie.
To Jesus Through Mary Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351810841' post='2502310'] Did God tell you that, or are you just talking out of your inferiority complex? From what I know, God loves us, otherwise why would He send His Son to die to save us, would you do that without love in your heart? [/quote] The Church told me that and my known unworthiness to stand before an amesome God. Call it a inferiority complex if you like. I call it a fear of the Lord. God sent his Son out of love to die for us because we are not worthy of him or his love. Duh.
Freedom Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351810992' post='2502316'] God loves us, we just don't deserve that love. We don't earn it by our own merits, God loves us freely despite our failures. Like many things in theology, this is the kind of thing that one can easily turn a phrase and accidentally miss some subtle distinction. As long as we recognize that we cannot earn God's love and that He loves us anyway, we should be good. [/quote] I agree and there is some truth to that.
Freedom Posted November 1, 2012 Author Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='To Jesus Through Mary' timestamp='1351811023' post='2502318'] The Church told me that and my known unworthiness to stand before an amesome God. Call it a inferiority complex if you like. I call it a fear of the Lord. God sent his Son out of love to die for us because we are not worthy of him or his love. Duh. [/quote] You're entitled to fear the Lord but not doubt His love for us, His children.
qfnol31 Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='qfnol31' timestamp='1351810611' post='2502300'] How is it not possible for someone not to care either way? [/quote] Just a reminder this question is out there.
dUSt Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351811018' post='2502317'] No. It's a request, and a nickname. Indicates you're tough. Like Rockie. [/quote] And I called you a moron for your misreading of pragmatism as pregnant schism, even though you obviously didn't do that, which should then have lead readers to know that I was obviously not calling you a moron for any actual reason other than to amuse myself for coming up with the term pregnant schism. Yet, I was edited and warned. I suppose that is what I get for not being as funny as you.
Winchester Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351811672' post='2502329'] And I called you a moron for your misreading of pragmatism as pregnant schism, even though you obviously didn't do that, which should then have lead readers to know that I was obviously not calling you a moron for any actual reason other than to amuse myself for coming up with the term pregnant schism. Yet, I was edited and warned. I suppose that is what I get for not being as funny as you. [/quote] I don't want anyone warned for attacking me. Either impersonally or not. I'll take whatever attention I can get.
Lil Red Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351811672' post='2502329'] And I called you a moron for your misreading of pragmatism as pregnant schism, even though you obviously didn't do that, which should then have lead readers to know that I was obviously not calling you a moron for any actual reason other than to amuse myself for coming up with the term pregnant schism. Yet, I was edited and warned. I suppose that is what I get for not being as funny as you. [/quote] if you think something violates the guidelines, you're encouraged by the moderating team and dUSt, the webmaster, to use the report button.
Winchester Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1351811943' post='2502333'] dUSt, the webmaster, to use the report button. [/quote] Never heard of him.
Anomaly Posted November 1, 2012 Posted November 1, 2012 [quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351810992' post='2502316'] God loves us, we just don't deserve that love. We don't earn it by our own merits, God loves us freely despite our failures. Like many things in theology, this is the kind of thing that one can easily turn a phrase and accidentally miss some subtle distinction. As long as we recognize that we cannot earn God's love and that He loves us anyway, we should be good. [/quote]that was a thread a few months ago.... God loves some more than others. Some if you are aware of your status with Him. Others are mistaken.
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