Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 Sometimes. But sometimes we can ignore reality and just keep chugging along. If a guy knocks on your door, and as you open it he collapses from starvation, you might be obligated to give him that bucket of pudding you were about to consume in front of your Netflix marathon of Toddlers and Tiaras. As much as you wanted that pudding, reality itself has imposed an obligation to share at least a few spoonfuls from the bucket.
4588686 Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 If a guy knocks on your door, and as you open it he collapses from starvation, you might be obligated to give him that bucket of pudding you were about to consume in front of your Netflix marathon of Toddlers and Tiaras. As much as you wanted that pudding, reality itself has imposed an obligation to share at least a few spoonfuls from the bucket. lol @ me sharing pudding
PhuturePriest Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 DUDE! Yeah yeah you don't need eros. Do we tell young people who want to get married "now remember you don't need romance to be fulfilled"? No. That's because most people in spite of knowing you can be fulfilled with other things nevertheless want to get married and have a family. Because it's part of being human. I bet you would be the person who tells infertile women "you can be fulfilled by mentoring others and being involved in your parish and blah blah blah" none of which addresses the MATERNAL instinct inscribed on a woman's heart. Even if it's true. I don't reject the existence of the natural desire humans have for romantic pursuits, including having a spouse and children. But you seem to undermine the grace God gives us to live happy, fulfilled lives, even if we don't have the lives we particularly wanted. I don't know of one Priest who doesn't still have the desire for marriage. However, I also don't know of one priest who would exchange the vocation they were given for married life. They are perfectly fulfilled and happy, because God has given them the grace to be so. Your assertion that I would disregard woman's natural desire for motherhood is nothing short of an ad hominem.
Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 The incredible damage caused to our world by sin and concupiscence mean that our vocations and legitimate desires are often thwarted. We are damaged, personally. Society is damaged. Our nature is damaged. We will not always be able to repair the effects of that damage. We will be constantly frustrated and broken down and subjected to tragedy. People will suffer and die and live what seem to be useless lives, or lives constantly bombarded by sin or temptation or disorder. For Catholics there has always only been one answer.
Lil Red Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 I bet you would be the person who tells infertile women "you can be fulfilled by mentoring others and being involved in your parish and blah blah blah" none of which addresses the MATERNAL instinct inscribed on a woman's heart. Even if it's true. Oh yeah, life sucks sometimes, didn't you know? so sorry. /sarcasm
An Historian Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Too much Byzantine iconography going on at Phatmass these days. Irenaeus is so yesterday. Hilary FTW!
PhuturePriest Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Too much Byzantine iconography going on at Phatmass these days. Irenaeus is so yesterday. Hilary FTW! I have Polycarp, who is both epic and has the benefit of being named something which is not currently a woman's name.
Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 Oh yeah, life smells of elderberries sometimes, didn't you know? so sorry. /sarcasm What do you want, exactly?
An Historian Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 I have Polycarp, who is both epic and has the benefit of being named something which is not currently a woman's name. But who would you rather have a drink with? The guy called Hilarius or the guy who sounds like a Pokémon reject? I know which would prove more entertaining!
4588686 Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 What do you want, exactly? Empathy. Some sign of it.
Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 Empathy. Some sign of it. I thought that was evident.
Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 If anyone finds me offensively un-sympathetic, please do let me know. Otherwise I do not think that is a helpful direction for this thread.
4588686 Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 There's a big difference between saying, in a variety of ways, 'look, I'm empathetic' versus actually demonstrating empathy.
Nihil Obstat Posted January 27, 2015 Author Posted January 27, 2015 There's a big difference between saying, in a variety of ways, 'look, I'm empathetic' versus actually demonstrating empathy. Make a different thread then. I will subject myself to your judgement.
4588686 Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 If anyone finds me offensively un-sympathetic, please do let me know. Otherwise I do not think that is a helpful direction for this thread. I'm letting you know. As have a number of other posters on this thread without using that exact phrasing. It's not just you.
An Historian Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 Oh yeah, life smells of elderberries sometimes, didn't you know? so sorry. /sarcasm 1,833 people died in the wake of Hurricane Katina. The 2011 earthquake and resulting tsunamai off the coast of Japan killed 15,889 people. In the past month Boko Haram has kidnapped and sold hundreds of young girls into sexual slavery, and killed hundreds more men. Yeah, life smells of elderberries sometimes. Nihil's presented [b]the[/b] Catholic response to suffering. A response of courage and trust in God's providence. The effiminate spirituality some people peddle will do nothing more than breed more milquetoasts who will cower and wilt at the first confrontation with humanity's broken state. Or perhaps you're one of those propserity gospel folks?
An Historian Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 http://youtu.be/E1I0hAxGFXw?t=1m34s Polycarp probably wouldn't have The Notebook on his reference list. :saint2:
4588686 Posted January 27, 2015 Posted January 27, 2015 1,833 people died in the wake of Hurricane Katina. The 2011 earthquake and resulting tsunamai off the coast of Japan killed 15,889 people. In the past month Boko Haram has kidnapped and sold hundreds of young girls into sexual slavery, and killed hundreds more men. Yeah, life smells of elderberries sometimes. There it is
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