little2add Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Catechism of The Catholic Church #2291 2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law.
Norseman82 Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 No one here, and I mean absolutely no one I've ever met on phatmass, from Catholics to atheists, uses secular law as a moral compass, so why would you ask this question? Because that is how the title of the thread is phrased.
dUSt Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Not visiting phatmass every day is technically legal. Does that make it sane?
dUSt Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Catechism of The Catholic Church #2291 2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law. Define "drugs". When read like this, I shouldn't drink beer. My mom should go to confession for smoking cigarettes. If the catechism means illegal drugs, then wouldn't marijuana no longer apply if it is legal?
Winchester Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Catechism of The Catholic Church #2291 2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense. Clandestine production of and trafficking in drugs are scandalous practices. They constitute direct co-operation in evil, since they encourage people to practices gravely contrary to the moral law. Jesus didn't inform the local authorities of His wine production. It's clear that the wine at the wedding wasn't for "therapeutic" purposes. Let's pretend alcohol isn't a drug, now. Edited March 13, 2015 by Winchester
Norseman82 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 My mom should go to confession for smoking cigarettes. Well, technically, since the catechism does condemn the abuse of tobacco......
Nunsense Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Well, wine must have an exemption (and maybe even MJ too because it's a plant?) because ... You make the grass grow for the cattle and plants for people’s work to bring forth food from the earth, wine to gladden their hearts, oil to make their faces shine, and bread to sustain the human heart. Ps 104:14, 15
little2add Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Define "drugs". When read like this, I shouldn't drink beer. My mom should go to confession for smoking cigarettes. If the catechism means illegal drugs, then wouldn't marijuana no longer apply if it is legal? see #2290
little2add Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Jesus didn't inform the local authorities of His wine production. It's clear that the wine at the wedding wasn't for "therapeutic" purposes. Let's pretend alcohol isn't a drug, now. turning water into wine is of no concern to the local authorities
JB2 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 It's my understanding that you shouldn't do anything that will take away your use of reason unless there is a grave reason, like for surgery using an anesthesia. Anyone who has smoked marijuana here, in the past or who still does would be lying if they said it doesn't alter your state of consciousness in a very powerful way, and take away ones use of reason. For cancer, and very extreme cases, I don't know what to think. But I think recreational use of marijuana is very dangerous and destructive, and I speak from my own experience as a convert who lived a very bad life way up in space somewhere and from my interactions with others.
Guest Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 1 Peter 5:8 ► Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
Guest Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 For cancer, and very extreme cases, I don't know what to think. Why is that?
Winchester Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 turning water into wine is of no concern to the local authorities Oh. You're being arbitrary. Ok. Have fun.
Ice_nine Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Well, technically, since the catechism does condemn the abuse of tobacco...... Ok, I'll give you that, but if you read the thread the question isn't really helpful because I don't think anyone thinks "oh the US/state government says this is legal that must mean God thinks it's OK too!" It's more like "since the whole "breaking the law" thing doesn't apply, can the use of weed be moral?"
KnightofChrist Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 There seems to be a distinction between 'drugs' compared to other things consumed such as food, alcohol, tobacco and medicine. Like anything else weed can be abused. I suppose the question is when does it alter the mind and become sinful? I don't think it is easy to know that answer. Since that's the case I don't think it will be easy say it's not sinful to consume. Do those who defend it as moral or amoral have a answer as to when one's mind is altered by the substance? From the Compendium of the CCC 474. What duty do we have toward our body? 2288-2291 We must take reasonable care of our own physical health and that of others but avoid the cult of the body and every kind of excess. Also to be avoided are the use of drugs which cause very serious damage to human health and life, as well as the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco and medicine.
JB2 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 Why is that? If I shoot up several hundred mgs of morphine without a grave reason it's a mortal sin, but if a doctor does it because I'm emaciated and have bones coming through my skin, different story. Marijuana use without a grave reason is wrong of course, even if it's legal, but it isn't worse than morphine or oxymorphone.
JB2 Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 For people who want to mention drinking and smoking - Fr. Ripperger has a sermon on youtube about smoking and drinking that you should listen to... Is smoking and drinking wrong?
Ice_nine Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Do those who defend it as moral or amoral have a answer as to when one's mind is altered by the substance? No because the level or type of mind alteration that qualifies as "loss of reason" has not been clearly defined. We know that, with alcohol, being blacked-out drunk and not remembering anything is obviously immoral, whereas having a beer with dinner is not. There is a lot of gray area in between; even quotes from the saints that it's ok (and even virtuous) to drink to hilarity (I might not be wording that right so I'm hoping you Catholic drinkers will correct/clarify) make it confusing. Many, many things alter your mind: spinning around real fast, taking benadryl, drinking coffee, exersise, eating. Mind alteration, I don't think, is the crux of the issue. It's the "loss of reason" and what that entails.
Norseman82 Posted March 14, 2015 Posted March 14, 2015 Ok, I'll give you that, but if you read the thread the question isn't really helpful because I don't think anyone thinks "oh the US/state government says this is legal that must mean God thinks it's OK too!" It's more like "since the whole "breaking the law" thing doesn't apply, can the use of weed be moral?" My apologies, but for those who did not see it, I just substituted "abortion" for "marijuana" in the hopes that the people would see for themselves the fallacy of legalization making something moral.
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