Nunsense Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 ipa is disgusting* *I fully expect to get banned from phatmass but as a lover of truth, I could not remain silent I've never tasted it. I am not a big beer fan but I did like Tiger beer when I was in Singapore. It tastes different here so I don't know if it is bottled locally and uses different water here or not. I have tried a few lagers I like but on the whole I prefer lighter beers. Wine is my poison of choice.
little2add Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 It's legal but is it moral? let he who is without sin...
Archaeology cat Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 ipa is disgusting* *I fully expect to get banned from phatmass but as a lover of truth, I could not remain silent It's ok, I hate IPA, too. Of course, I hate most beer, despite having a father--in-law who is a brewer. I much prefer wine or Scotch.
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 My body lacks the enzyme that turns alcohol into glucose, so I cannot drink alcohol at all. If I do drink alcohol, it doesn't relax me--I go immediately to sick. And the one time I had two drinks, I got a hangover. (And, I was in my 20's!) One thing my ex-husband never got used to was the fact that I couldn't drink. He said that he'd rather lose a leg than not be able to drink. His loves were hand-crafted beer and single-malt Scotch. (That made it very easy to get him Christmas presents. I would simply go on a hunt for a highly reviewed 50-year single malt and he'd be ecstatic!)
Nunsense Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 My body lacks the enzyme that turns alcohol into glucose, so I cannot drink alcohol at all. If I do drink alcohol, it doesn't relax me--I go immediately to sick. And the one time I had two drinks, I got a hangover. (And, I was in my 20's!) One thing my ex-husband never got used to was the fact that I couldn't drink. He said that he'd rather lose a leg than not be able to drink. His loves were hand-crafted beer and single-malt Scotch. (That made it very easy to get him Christmas presents. I would simply go on a hunt for a highly reviewed 50-year single malt and he'd be ecstatic!) I love the taste of wine but I'm not sure I'd be prepared to give up a leg for it! I tend to have a glass or two of wine about twice a week with dinner but there are times when I abstain from alcohol for long periods, despite enjoying the taste, just because I think my body needs a clean out. I do the same thing for other items too though, like potato chips, chocolate etc. Every February my sister and her husband take part in a Melbourne tradition called FebFast http://febfast.org.au/about/ . During the month of February a person is supposed to give up their favorite 'vice' like alcohol or smoking etc. It seems like the secular version of a mini-Lent but my Sis and her hubby really like the idea of giving alcohol a break. They are wine connoisseurs (unlike myself, who just knows what she likes) so for them it is all about the cleansing experience. It isn't always easy for them since having a glass of wine with the evening meal is a habit but like us during Lent, they get a 'time out pass' in which they have 24 hours to indulge if they really feel the need. LOL They sometimes take a pass on a Saturday evening, especially if they have a dinner party or special event like a birthday etc. Whatever the 'vice', alcohol, smokes, marijuana etc... it does seem good to exercise the will by saying no to it at times. I think it helps prevent habitual dependency (in those who can actually partake of something without carrying it to excess). I can't imagine though how hard that would be for someone with a physical addiction like nicotine or some other chemical. That's tough and the best bet there is to just avoid it completely.
little2add Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Marijuana is its own peculiar little religion. You either love it passionately or hate it, fiercely. Personally, I don’t want to be around the stuff and I would prefer if the guy fixing the brakes on my car had the same opinion.
Nunsense Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Marijuana is its own peculiar little religion. You either love it passionately or hate it, fiercely. Personally, I don’t want to be around the stuff and I would prefer if the guy fixing the brakes on my car had the same opinion. Don't be silly. There are plenty of people who don't care about it one way or the other. There is no need to hate it even if you don't love it. I feel nothing towards it whatsoever, but I certainly don't want to punish those who use it without abusing it. What end would that serve? Might as well punish someone for having a glass of wine. The person (man or woman) fixing the brakes on my car will hopefully not have abused anything just prior to doing so - whether that be alcohol or marijuana.
Guest Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 I just wanted to say one last thing. I'm against drug use. I've been reading about dmt lately and watching videos on it. It opens doors to the spiritual world. I would never try it. Just like in my 33 years I never tried lsd or drugs like that. I haven't drank in 18 months and I will no longer comment on marijuana. After thinking on this a lot lately I feel as if someone should only use if they have a medical card. If it's legal somewhere they will have to figure that out. I firmly believe as the Bible says we should stay sober because the devil is out to destroy us. I was also reminded of these scriptures tonight. God bless. •Anyone who loves another brother or sister is living in the light and does not cause others to stumble. 1 John 2:10 •It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother to fall. Romans 14:21
little2add Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 “Drug misuse is not a disease, it is a decision, like the decision to step out in front of a moving car. You would call that not a disease but an error of judgment.” Philip K. Dick “O God, that men should put an enemy in their mouths to steal away their brains!" - Cassio (Act II, Scene iii)” William Shakespeare "I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and didn't like it. I didn't inhale and I didn't try it again." Bill Clinton
Guest Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 Matthew 15:11 What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them."
little2add Posted April 4, 2015 Posted April 4, 2015 Matthew 15:11 What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them." Does that include your foot?
hotpink Posted April 6, 2015 Posted April 6, 2015 Don't be silly. There are plenty of people who don't care about it one way or the other. There is no need to hate it even if you don't love it. I feel nothing towards it whatsoever, but I certainly don't want to punish those who use it without abusing it. What end would that serve? Might as well punish someone for having a glass of wine. The person (man or woman) fixing the brakes on my car will hopefully not have abused anything just prior to doing so - whether that be alcohol or marijuana. Honestly there are non-substance things that I'd also worry about the mechanic...like tiredness. It's been proven time and time again that lack of sleep is as or more dangerous than a substance. But anyway, yeah, people can not care. My feeling is that you can't legislate morality. You need to have places where social norms help makes it so people don't need to seek to abuse drugs to feel better, both thorough good mental health treatment and sense of belonging
Nunsense Posted April 6, 2015 Posted April 6, 2015 Honestly there are non-substance things that I'd also worry about the mechanic...like tiredness. It's been proven time and time again that lack of sleep is as or more dangerous than a substance. But anyway, yeah, people can not care. My feeling is that you can't legislate morality. You need to have places where social norms help makes it so people don't need to seek to abuse drugs to feel better, both thorough good mental health treatment and sense of belonging You are right. I'd also like my auto mechanic and my airplane pilot not to be suffering from a severe mental illness like depression! That poor co-pilot who crashed the German plane - not only was his life ruined, but also all those who were in the plane with him! There are a lot of things that can affect someone's performance. And hopefully if someone is responsible for the live of others, they aren't under any influences of alcohol or drugs or suffering from any disorder that could affect their performance. But that really has nothing to do with a discussion about legality and morality.
Anomaly Posted April 6, 2015 Posted April 6, 2015 I haven't drank in 18 months Josh, I have tremendous respect for your accomplishment.
hotpink Posted April 7, 2015 Posted April 7, 2015 You are right. I'd also like my auto mechanic and my airplane pilot not to be suffering from a severe mental illness like depression! That poor co-pilot who crashed the German plane - not only was his life ruined, but also all those who were in the plane with him! There are a lot of things that can affect someone's performance. And hopefully if someone is responsible for the live of others, they aren't under any influences of alcohol or drugs or suffering from any disorder that could affect their performance. But that really has nothing to do with a discussion about legality and morality. It kinda does though. Say someone crashes their car because of tiredness. The officer does a cognitive "sobriety test" and they fail, however upon doing the blood and blow test they pass. No drugs or alcohol. I think that this person who drove congnativly impaired (tired) should be treated with the same consequences, yet they are not. NPR just did a bit on senior drivers and how dangerous they are. Yet even if they disclose trouble driving to say, their estate lawyer or doctor, they doctor is bound by HIPPA to not say. I do PT. There are some of my clients who should NOT be driving. Yet I can do nothing about it. Same with mental illness. We are so afraid of stupid laws that we are basically bound and gagged. Driving while tired, elderly, injured or with mental illness probably attributes to most of the injuries that are not related to drugs/alcohol. None of those things....tiredness, being old, being injured or having a mental illness are sinful....but they can be just as (or in the airline's case) more deadly than a pot smoking or drunk captain. Mostly because it's easy to recognize a drunk, it's not easy to recognize someone who's suicidal or even someone who has a physical injury that limits range of motion. It's a scary world.
Nunsense Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 It kinda does though. Say someone crashes their car because of tiredness. The officer does a cognitive "sobriety test" and they fail, however upon doing the blood and blow test they pass. No drugs or alcohol. I think that this person who drove congnativly impaired (tired) should be treated with the same consequences, yet they are not. NPR just did a bit on senior drivers and how dangerous they are. Yet even if they disclose trouble driving to say, their estate lawyer or doctor, they doctor is bound by HIPPA to not say. I do PT. There are some of my clients who should NOT be driving. Yet I can do nothing about it. Same with mental illness. We are so afraid of stupid laws that we are basically bound and gagged. Driving while tired, elderly, injured or with mental illness probably attributes to most of the injuries that are not related to drugs/alcohol. None of those things....tiredness, being old, being injured or having a mental illness are sinful....but they can be just as (or in the airline's case) more deadly than a pot smoking or drunk captain. Mostly because it's easy to recognize a drunk, it's not easy to recognize someone who's suicidal or even someone who has a physical injury that limits range of motion. It's a scary world. Perhaps I shouldn't have said that my post really had nothing to do with legality and morality. I was simply stating that there are factors other than drugs that can impair function. But even if we go back to legality and morality, it becomes a slippery slope. There are many things that are legal but not necessarily moral, and many things that have been illegal but not necessarily immoral. I don't think that legality can be an automatic indicator of morality. If we go back to the old chestnut of the Nazis, they made it illegal for Jews to own businesses and many other things. The law itself was immoral but it was the law so Jews could be dispossessed of their houses, businesses, belongings etc quite legally - but immorally. Anyway, it seems that opinions on things like the morality of alcohol, marijuana etc are very personal, and probably not going to be altered through discussion. Personally, although I don't use marijuana, I think that making it legal, or at the least, decriminalizing it is a step forward - like the end of prohibition.
little2add Posted April 8, 2015 Posted April 8, 2015 Anyway, it seems that opinions on things like the morality of alcohol, marijuana etc are very personal, and probably not going to be altered through discussion. Personally, although I don't use marijuana, I think that making it legal, or at the least, decriminalizing it is a step forward - like the end of prohibition. do you personal refrain from recreational use of marijuana because it's illegal or because of morality?
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