infinitelord1 Posted July 4, 2005 Author Posted July 4, 2005 i definetly dont love myself........therapy will not help me as i have allready discovered. Therapy is taught from a subjective point of view......this will not help me because homosexuality only matters to god. If there is no god then there is nothing wrong or right therefore homosexuality is not wrong. Christian counseling would be the next option and i have sought out non-denom groups who help people seeking freedom from homosexuality........this helps but it certainly does not heal u completely. Not to mention the fact i am not a firm believer in god. My stance is that it is more probabable that a god exists, but we will never know and on top of that we will never know which god is the right god to worship. Knowing this morality becomes subjective and it really boils down to beliefs. Actually morallity becomes subjective when the question is asked "Is there a God". Unfortunately nobody knows.
Crispy Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 (edited) infinitelord, ur ignoring what these ppl are saying. u see ur life slipping away in a direction u dont like, have faith in God and take the advice presented to you. dont pray for what you think is best for you, cause u might be wrong (an it looks like things arent seeming to get better). instead pray for God's will to be done, pray that what ever God wants to happen that you would like it done, because God knows what he's doing, and trusting in him cannot do you any wrong. go see a priest that is good, if ur reg priest is too liberal or whatever, find a parish that is good. you cannot find happiness on ur own, and i think thats what God wants you to realize in all this; the reason u havent been healed yet. trust in god and get spiritual help. listen to what hot stuff and phat catholic are saying and just do it. what have u got to lose? Edited July 4, 2005 by Crispy
rckllnknny Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 (edited) FIRST..wow...i comend you on your honesty..if i wore your shoes..i dont know if i would of been so out-spoken myself...thats awesome you did that..it makes y;ou that much closer to understand all those things in your head bouncin around all day..effecting your attitude emotions and peace of mind. first of all..ask yourself the question you asked us..what answer are you looking and hoping for?? the only other advice i can give you if that question just confused you..is...from a 100% heterosexual male..i am accepting of other peoples choices for themselves..but myself..is the thought of me being with another man DISGUSTS me (note..ME being with man) i dont even want to think about it. i couldnt experiment..i couldnt even go out on a date with a man to see if perhaps i would like it. (maybe someone else could-but i couldnt) the fact that you could make the effort to have a girlfriend (already have sex on the second date?? LOL)...might be the answer you was lookin for. and between us...even hot sexy females in whom i may even love...can be pretty boring or even just gross at times to have sex with. and thats from a stragiht guys point of view. and your childhood. i dont know if you ever heard it from anyone (yet?).................but IM SORRY it happened to you. i dont know i fi just confused you with anything i just said. (sometimes i dont make any sense)-but i hope it helped you in some way... Edited July 4, 2005 by rckllnknny
ironmonk Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Jul 2 2005, 02:44 AM']I was 5 years old. .... [right][snapback]629825[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Bro, Thank you for sharing this with us. It took a lot of courage. Please read this, it's long, but it's very good.... [url="http://www.cathmed.org/publications/homosexuality.html"]http://www.cathmed.org/publications/homosexuality.html[/url] Please listen to these: [url="http://www.peterkreeft.com/audio/08_arguments-for-god.htm"]http://www.peterkreeft.com/audio/08_arguments-for-god.htm[/url] and here is his entire online audio library... [url="http://www.peterkreeft.com/audio.htm"]http://www.peterkreeft.com/audio.htm[/url] We all have temptations. I believe that we can become whatever we want, but it takes time. We have the power to change ourselves. I believe that some things you wrote about in regards to your early physical and experiances and drug experimenting are the reasons for the current temptations/hardships... Sex is something that satan will use against us because it is an easy one to attack us with. There have been times that I have thought about suicide, what kept me from not doing that was remembering that life is short and I am not my own but I belong to God. This time is less than a drop of water in the ocean compared to what eternity is. Since you are brave enough to write your story here, I believe that you are strong enough with Christ's help to overcome the temptations. Something that helps me is that I keep tellng myself "I must do the right thing". Sometimes, I don't know what that is, so I just go with the flow, knowing that my time here is short... it could be another 70 years or 7 minutes. Life is a test, and I just keep walking forward through it. Please check out the above links. You are in my prayers. Love in Christ, ironmonk
ironmonk Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Jul 4 2005, 02:37 AM']i definetly dont love myself........therapy will not help me as i have allready discovered. Therapy is taught from a subjective point of view......this will not help me because homosexuality only matters to god. If there is no god then there is nothing wrong or right therefore homosexuality is not wrong. Christian counseling would be the next option and i have sought out non-denom groups who help people seeking freedom from homosexuality........this helps but it certainly does not heal u completely. Not to mention the fact i am not a firm believer in god. My stance is that it is more probabable that a god exists, but we will never know and on top of that we will never know which god is the right god to worship. Knowing this morality becomes subjective and it really boils down to beliefs. Actually morallity becomes subjective when the question is asked "Is there a God". Unfortunately nobody knows. [right][snapback]631260[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Bro, We can and do know... Research Fatima and St. Pio (aka Padre Pio)... (and check out the links I posted above) 70,000 plus witnesses. Also, there is so much evidence that proves the Catholic Church to be true. What happened at Fatima in 1917: [url="http://www.fatima.org/essentials/facts/"]http://www.fatima.org/essentials/facts/[/url] Please listen to the Peter Kreeft audio asap... he explains things very nicely. God Bless, ironmonk
robbie Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 infinitelord1- Please don't feel that I'm trying to dampen your hope to hurt you, but I don't think it is wise to expect that your homosexual feelings will go away. I too have a homosexual orientation and whilst I would like to have a heterosexual orientation I don't think it will happen and all I really want is to be healthy and able to deal with this. Many Christians will tell you that you must supress your sexuality and try to egt rid of it. That only makes you psychologically unstable. Your sexuality is part of who you are, as mine is part of who I am. Pray not that God will get rid of your homosexuality, but rather that He can bring something good out of it. Homosexuality should not be thought of as a disease to be cured. It should be thought of as a burden that is relieved by Christ. Not because He makes you heterosexual. But because He carries it for you. Because He loves you, you can have high self-esteem. You can know that nothing in all the world is more precious to Almighty God than YOU. Not you as you could be if you were x, y and z. YOU as you are RIGHT NOW. God loves you. Jesus died for YOU. As you are right now. He urges on to change and to grow and to become better in Him. But He urges us to be whole, that His Grace may work in us to bring good out of all that we are, all that we have, all that we do. God loves you. Learn to love yourself. You and I can do nothing to help ourselves or to help each other. God alone, by His Grace, can transform us. This transformation is not one that says-"right...you must do this, this and this for Me to love you". It is one that says [i]"I love you now. AS YOU ARE. I have created you in My Image. As you are now. I will continue to redeem you and transform you into the Image of Christ My Son, that you may be united more wholly to Me. This is not because I want to love you. It is because I love you already."[/i] God bless you! He loves you more than words can say! Rob
infinitelord1 Posted July 4, 2005 Author Posted July 4, 2005 robbie, u stated that ur feelings of being homosexual are part of who u are.......i also noticed that u are from the united kingdom (no offense). Europeans tend to be very liberal in their thinking.........honestly, liberalism is a sin. You are wrong my friend that u cannot change the way you feel.........I have attended a group that helps people seek freedom from homosexuality. Granted it is non-denominational they claim that hundreds are there to testify that they have been freed through christ from homosexuality and that a heterosexual union is achieveable granted of course that the relationship is within the context of what god intended.
traichuoi Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 Infinitelord, Thank you for your honesty. First, I wanted to give you the website to a Catholic ministry for men struggling with the same issues you are: [url="http://www.couragerc.net/"]http://www.couragerc.net/[/url] This is a great ministry and has helped sooooooo many. Secondly, I will be praying for you! Courage!
rckllnknny Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 ooooh...i hate to do this..hot stuff..since you had every right intention in what you were trying to say. I bleieve..in my OWN opinion..and not to disregard anyone elses..is that therapy is an OPTION..but not a neccesity. Jesus was never quoted anywhere that therapy came from the Father. and only through that may we find everlasting blah blah.. i think that therapy is an option that may help you. But do not ever feel obligated to go or guilty for not going. ive also came to believe theres only one thing that is the best we could ever do. and when i get confused and i ask Jesus what to do...this what he alway says..PRAY! anyways i wasnt trying to sound harsh to anyone or take anything out of context. ..i hope i said all of that right.
Fidei Defensor Posted July 4, 2005 Posted July 4, 2005 Remeber - you cant "turn your back" on God just because he doesnt do what you want. You said you have been praying. Like others have said, maybe he has already answered and is working in your life, but you dont recognize it. We are not God. He knows what is best for us. He gave us free will so that we could choose to follow him. If you choose to keep saying "no God, thats not what I want" then you will never get relief. If God wants you to be single, then thats what he wants. You can choose to follow what he has planned, or you can choose not to. You seem to be choosing not to.
infinitelord1 Posted July 4, 2005 Author Posted July 4, 2005 fidei, up until yesterday i was thinking that chastity meant celebacy.......for the most part i have lived a chaste life. I havent had sex in over 4 years. The idea of chastity is a beautiful thing i think. Its the idea of celebacy that i despise. Not for everyone but for me. I dont want to live such a life style. And allthough i appreciate your input on my threads........i dont appreciate it when u are trying to convince me of such and idea. We dont know anything when it comes to god. Please refrain from trying to tell me that i should live a celebate life. You do not know.
infinitelord1 Posted July 4, 2005 Author Posted July 4, 2005 fidei, up until yesterday i was thinking that chastity meant celebacy.......for the most part i have lived a chaste life. I havent had sex in over 4 years. The idea of chastity is a beautiful thing i think. Its the idea of celebacy that i despise. Not for everyone but for me. I dont want to live such a life style. And allthough i appreciate your input on my threads........i dont appreciate it when u are trying to convince me of such and idea. We dont know anything when it comes to god. Please refrain from trying to tell me that i should live a celebate life. You do not know.
Fidei Defensor Posted July 5, 2005 Posted July 5, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Jul 4 2005, 06:08 PM']fidei, up until yesterday i was thinking that chastity meant celebacy.......for the most part i have lived a chaste life. I havent had sex in over 4 years. The idea of chastity is a beautiful thing i think. Its the idea of celebacy that i despise. Not for everyone but for me. I dont want to live such a life style. And allthough i appreciate your input on my threads........i dont appreciate it when u are trying to convince me of such and idea. We dont know anything when it comes to god. Please refrain from trying to tell me that i should live a celebate life. You do not know. [right][snapback]631695[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Bud, im working with what you told me. I didnt make the rules, God did, and the fact is, if you have to live with homosexual attraction, you have to be celebate, because you have no other choice. If God wants you to get married, he would "heal" you as you speak of wanting. But he hasnt. I dont mean to be rude, but it sounds like to me that you are telling God what you want, and demanding that, when he clearly has other ideas for you. Please, just pray that you do God's will, and dont demand he do anything. Let him decide.
Jaime Posted July 5, 2005 Posted July 5, 2005 [quote]I bleieve..in my OWN opinion..and not to disregard anyone elses..is that therapy is an OPTION..but not a neccesity.[/quote] rckllnknny I don't disagree that prayer is the most powerful tool that we have in our arsenal against sin. But what has been described by Infinitelord clearly calls for therapy. We can pray that our cancer goes away. But we go to the doctor We can pray that the flood doesn't take our home. But we go to higher ground. We can pray that inappropriate sexual behavior performed on us at waaaaay to early of an age will someday stop influencing our behavior. But we go to therapy.
infinitelord1 Posted July 5, 2005 Author Posted July 5, 2005 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='Jul 4 2005, 11:41 PM']Bud, im working with what you told me. I didnt make the rules, God did, and the fact is, if you have to live with homosexual attraction, you have to be celebate, because you have no other choice. If God wants you to get married, he would "heal" you as you speak of wanting. But he hasnt. I dont mean to be rude, but it sounds like to me that you are telling God what you want, and demanding that, when he clearly has other ideas for you. Please, just pray that you do God's will, and dont demand he do anything. Let him decide. [right][snapback]631921[/snapback][/right] [/quote] i was talking about we dont know what god intends for us. As far as the rules go.....yes, if you cannot get rid of your homosexual attractions then u should live a celebate life. God may or may not heal you in this area......you never know when he will or if he will. So to automatically accept a life of celebacy is ok but it doesnt mean that is what god intended for you. Because u dont know what god intended for you until it already happened. We can not predict god.
jasJis Posted July 5, 2005 Posted July 5, 2005 [quote name='rckllnknny' date='Jul 5 2005, 08:14 AM']hot stuff...have fun..Gods cheaper. [right][snapback]632013[/snapback][/right] [/quote]Rick, You may take this as harsh, but I firmly believe it. God repeatedly shows us in Scripture that He works through other people to help us. Paul puts it quite clearly when he describes how we are all different, but make up one body of Christ. Some are teachers, some are healers, etc. Truthfully, your choosing to 'go it alone with God' is probably a mistake. It reminds me of a little story. A woman lived by a river that flooded so she climbed up on to the roof. The Army drove by and called accross the water and asked to help her. She said 'No. God will take care of me.' Than the Air Force hovered over her in a helicopter and asked to help her. She said 'No. God will take care of me.' Then the Navy came by in a boat and asked to help her. She said 'No. God will take care of me.' A few minutes later, the house collapsed and she drowned and went to heaven. Peter met her at the Gate and said it would be a little while before her room would be ready. The woman was surprised and asked didn't they know she was coming. Peter said God told him about her predicament and God sent the Army, Navy, and Air Force to rescue her but Peter didn't anticipate the woman refusing the help God sent.
rckllnknny Posted July 5, 2005 Posted July 5, 2005 THAT REALLY HAPPENED?!!!! and God was wondering what verse that was in?? quote..you choosing to go it alone is probably a mistake. unqoute. its not alone its with God. and you PROBABLY dont really know at all do you??
rckllnknny Posted July 5, 2005 Posted July 5, 2005 besides theres not one person on here qualified to make a reccomendation as therapy as an ONLY option. thats ridiculous. hot stuff did your therapist tell you that you were self-absorbed dillusional hypochondriac?? or was she waiting for you to tell her that? this is somebody elses thread. you could mess up someone elses head telling them that they need therapy anyhow if its not a DECISION they make for themselves. people can still live a healthy life without it. Jesus shows us that The Living Word is all we nedd to live happy lives. not because your PSYCHIATRIST referred us there! LOL
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