Zombies

[Ken]

If a zombie is trying to kill me, I would kill it. Its instinct. Fight or flight, kill or be killed. Besides, would you honestly want to be a zombie? It would be agony.

[dicallidra]

[quote name='StatingTheObvious' date='Nov 11 2005, 07:10 AM']armadilloonacid, there's a big difference between killing zombies and potential zombies.  zombies are already dead.  potential zombies aren't.  haven't you ever seen monty python?  'i'm not dead yet.'  'shut up, you will be soon'  it's polite to wait until they are completely dead then cut off the head.
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ok theoretical situation for you mr obviousman: You are stuck in a house alone with your friend who was just bitten by a zombie and fading fast. The only weapon you have is a small knife. You either: A: Kill him now by putting the knife through his head, or: B: wait till he is a zombie attempting to rip your throat open.

Could you kill a zombie one-on-one with a small knife? Or would you (probably) die because you refused to kill him before he was a zombie?

[quote name='Ken' date='Nov 12 2005, 01:20 AM']If a zombie is trying to kill me, I would kill it. Its instinct. Fight or flight, kill or be killed. Besides, would you honestly want to be a zombie? It would be agony.
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Hi ken, actually i meant [i]before[/i] he turned into a zombie

[Ken]

My response still stands. I have seen many zombie films, and the biggest mistake any of the groups make, is keeping one of the infected. When one is infected, it is a death sentence for them, and a hazard to those around them. Would I kill them? Myabe. Its difficult to say what our responses would be in that situation, but its one of those "whats best for the many" moments. Its all survival.

Shaun Of The Dead, Day Of The Dead, Dawn Of The Dead, 28 Days Later, Return Of The Living Dead (1 through 4), those movies all had higher body counts because they chose to not kill the infected.

[StatingTheObvious]

[quote name='dicallidra' date='Nov 12 2005, 03:40 AM']ok theoretical situation for you mr obviousman: You are stuck in a house alone with your friend who was just bitten by a zombie and fading fast. The only weapon you have is a small knife. You either: A: Kill him now by putting the knife through his head, or: B: wait till he is a zombie attempting to rip your throat open.

Could you  kill a zombie one-on-one with a small knife? Or would you (probably)  die because you refused to kill him before he was a zombie?
Hi ken, actually i meant [i]before[/i] he turned into a zombie
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[/quote]hmmm. good question. first, you are assuming i have personal morals. i'm not admitting that. i personally would just try to do the polite thing, not the moral thing. if you wait until they're dead, there's less blood and mess. haven't you seen 'dawn of the dead', the true docuementary on this fenomenon? i'll answer as if i had your morals.
You could pre-position their head as if you are comforting them. also, use their belt to tie their hands. as the zompie-ize, you can then conveniently chip off their head with the small knife. you probably would have to flip them on their stomach so you can kneel on them and work on them from behind so you can cut the spinal cord first.

[zabbazooey]

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[toledo_jesus]

Obviously it is morally wrong to kill a non-zombie, even if they are infected. The proper thing to do is establish a procedure whereby the soon to be decedant is properly restrained prior to death. This could be achieved with a minimal loss of dignity and would maximize ability to dispatch the zombie immediately after the condition took hold.

If you have nothing but a small knife, you are not going to live. In that situation, you must find a club or other such implement to have a snowflake's chance of getting away.

Now, we must establish what type of zombie we are dealing with. Night of the Living Dead is a different zombie than Dawn of the Dead (new one). Fast zombies are scary.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='StatingTheObvious' date='Nov 12 2005, 07:30 AM']hmmm.  good question.  first, you are assuming i have personal morals.  i'm not admitting that.  i personally would just try to do the polite thing, not the moral thing.  if you wait until they're dead, there's less blood and mess.  haven't you seen 'dawn of the dead', the true docuementary on this fenomenon?  i'll answer as if i had your morals.
You could pre-position their head as if you are comforting them.  also, use their belt to tie their hands.  as the zompie-ize, you can then conveniently chip off their head with the small knife.  you probably would have to flip them on their stomach so you can kneel on them and work on them from behind so you can cut the spinal cord first.
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firstly, everyone has a set of morals. Some are just lower than others. also you assume i would [i]not[/i] kill a person before they became zombie. nowhere have i stated this, i havent even voted.

secondly, you are assuming you have lots of time and tools to tie this person down. what are the odds of the situation being perfect like this?

[ardillacid]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Nov 13 2005, 10:37 PM']Obviously it is morally wrong to kill a non-zombie, even if they are infected.  The proper thing to do is establish a procedure whereby the soon to be decedant is properly restrained prior to death.  This could be achieved with a minimal loss of dignity and would maximize ability to dispatch the zombie immediately after the condition took hold.

If you have nothing but a small knife, you are not going to live.  In that situation, you must find a club or other such implement to have a snowflake's chance of getting away. 

Now, we must establish what type of zombie we are dealing with.  Night of the Living Dead is a different zombie than Dawn of the Dead (new one).  Fast zombies are scary.
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I apologize for the confusion. the zombie flick i was thinking of was the new dawn of the dead.

In reply to your post, why is it wrong? In a matter of minutes they will be attempting to take your life. These people have already been given their life sentence, is it wrong to take their life to save yours?

[Guest Rick777]

this is a wierd question.

[track2004]

If after a bite, it was certain that the person would be a zombie yeah, I'd kill 'em. Part of being a zombie, classically, is being undead. So really the person would be dead, so killing it wouldn't be killing a person. They say this in various zombie movies when it gets down to killing a family member or friend. They reiterate that their loved one isn't there anymore, it's just a hungry zombie. Just saying. And if there were zombies and my dead was imminent, I'd shoot myself in the head so I couldn't rise up. But that's a whole nother debate.

[philothea]

[quote name='Rick777' date='Nov 14 2005, 02:51 AM']this is a wierd question.
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This is a serious moral debate!

I bet Ardillacid just introduced the "zombie" concept to get us off our guard so we could debate more freely.

Either that, or he's scared of zombies.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='philothea' date='Nov 14 2005, 12:53 PM']

This is a serious moral debate! 

I bet Ardillacid just introduced the "zombie" concept to get us off our guard so we could debate more freely. 

Either that, or he's scared of zombies.


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actually i thought it would make an interesting debate....

[philothea]

[quote name='ardillacid' date='Nov 14 2005, 12:58 PM']actually i thought it would make an interesting debate....
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It does! Like I said in the Open Mic version... best thread ever.

[Proud2BCatholic139]

Ummm.......

[Guest Rick777]

[toledo_jesus]

Let us be clear! The person is not a zombie until their life processes cease. They are then reanimated by the zombie curse or virus or radiation or whatever. Until that time they take their last breath, the person is still alive and very much the same struggling person you are. However, once they are dead they will be reanimated and become a zombie. The state of zombifaction is only present post mortem. Therefore it is morally impermissable to kill the person prior to death. To do so would be murder.

In the new Dawn of the Dead movie, this situation arises and while the initial inclination among the group is to shoot the man, one look into his frightened eyes and the face of his daughter is enough for decency to prevail. So, they quarantine him and station a guard with a shotgun nearby. The man asks for "every minute" of his life. And it is his, by right. So he dies.
Then the guard blows off his zombie head.

[ardillacid]

Ok, how about this: in dawn of the dead, when the people are coming back through the sewers, one of their number is taken by the zombies. He yells to his friend to kill him, which he promptly does. Moral?

[Dreamweaver]

[quote name='ardillacid' date='Nov 15 2005, 12:48 AM']Ok, how about this: in dawn of the dead, when the people are coming back through the sewers, one of their number is taken by the zombies. He yells to his friend to kill him, which he promptly does. Moral?
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Probably not moral, but I wouldn't see a problem with somehow incapacitating the friend so he'll be less of a danger when he's zombiefied. Maybe shooting him in the foot or something.. Oh man, that would be really mean and hard to do to a friend.

[tojo]

[quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Nov 15 2005, 02:59 PM']Probably not moral, but I wouldn't see a problem with somehow incapacitating the friend so he'll be less of a danger when he's zombiefied. Maybe shooting him in the foot or something.. Oh man, that would be really mean and hard to do to a friend. 
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I'm all for incapacitating the mortally dangerous and soon-to-be non-human....

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Dreamweaver' date='Nov 15 2005, 02:59 PM']Probably not moral, but I wouldn't see a problem with somehow incapacitating the friend so he'll be less of a danger when he's zombiefied. Maybe shooting him in the foot or something.. Oh man, that would be really mean and hard to do to a friend. 
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shooting him in the foot is hardly a way to incapacitate the zombies

but seriously, the guy is about the be ripped apart alive and you cannot shoot him?