How Do We Attrack More Protestants To Phatmass.

[Budge]

[quote]Send a bucket of tacos, so very tasty and good for you, to the headquarters of the National Association of Evangelicals?[/quote]

Those "liberals"? You wont find fundies there.

[url="http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070423/27037.htm"]http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070423/27037.htm[/url]

Most of them are already joined with Rome already...

If you want people to debate, I guess go visit some fundie boards and invite them over.

[123]

[quote]You continue to treat us (non-Catholics but not scary fundies) with such ridiculous kindness and answer questions. And offer free cookies. A sense of humor helps too. I've learned more for the tongue in cheek debate threads that I have from any number of "All Protestants are heretics and here's 4012 reasons why!" threads. Lumping all Protestants is as bad as evangelicals lumping all Catholics together. Some of us are nice people too![/quote]

I don't think there is any offensiveness in the thread, they just need to discuss with protestants more. There is a reason behind being brothers in faith. Brothers discuss, converse, and yes even sometimes debate. But, that is nessessary to stay a family. Because, the family that debates together, stays together!

Besides, I don't think that protestants are heretics, quite frankly, with protestants, its Catholics that are seen as heretical and lost, not the other way around. Every person in my immediate family is protestants, yet believes they are reformed catholics. This is not heretical. My issues with the Reformation and Protestants is seen differently than these gentlemen and ladies, and Its most definatly not hatred.

Edited May 3, 2007 by GloriaIesusChristi

[Budge]

Most Protestants are joined with Rome...

ie they may disagree with you all on a few doctrinal stances, but many have embraced the Pope as a good moral world religious leaders.

Revelation 17 is coming to pass.

Bible Christians are in a different place then most of Protestantism..

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='Katholikos' post='1262767' date='May 2 2007, 06:47 PM']Announce on Protestant websites that a bunch of us are ready to convert to Protestantism but we need guidance?[/quote]

[mulls]

I would challenge you to instead go out into the real world and find evangelical Christians to talk to, engage them in normal conversation without other people on this site and catholic apologetic resources to depend on.

The rubber meets the road for me in the real world. You can make a decent case for Catholicism online, but out there everything falls apart (in my experience).

[hoosieranna]

[quote name='GloriaIesusChristi' post='1263135' date='May 3 2007, 08:27 AM']I don't think there is any offensiveness in the thread, they just need to discuss with protestants more. There is a reason behind being brothers in faith. Brothers discuss, converse, and yes even sometimes debate. But, that is nessessary to stay a family. Because, the family that debates together, stays together!

Besides, I don't think that protestants are heretics, quite frankly, with protestants, its Catholics that are seen as heretical and lost, not the other way around. Every person in my immediate family is protestants, yet believes they are reformed catholics. This is not heretical. My issues with the Reformation and Protestants is seen differently than these gentlemen and ladies, and Its most definatly not hatred.[/quote]

I didn't take any offense. I was actually thanking the Pham for its kindness. Debate can be very useful. I don't actually do much of it because I don't have a background in apologetics and rhetoric. I was trying to keep it light, because I do think humor is an invaluable tool. I'm here to learn. Reading the debates of others helps me do that.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='mulls' post='1263197' date='May 3 2007, 01:01 PM']I would challenge you to instead go out into the real world and find evangelical Christians to talk to, engage them in normal conversation without other people on this site and catholic apologetic resources to depend on.

The rubber meets the road for me in the real world. You can make a decent case for Catholicism online, but out there everything falls apart (in my experience).[/quote]Plenty of conversions to the Catholic Faith happen in the real world. I find that Evangelicals in the real world are not as capable in defending their faith as online people like you, mulls.

The rank-and-file evangelicals that I have met still have one foot in the world, so to speak. But, I guess that's just an opportunity for Catholics to witness to them.

PS: As others have mentioned, I also first read the thread title as, "How do we attack more protestants."

[thessalonian]

[quote name='mulls' post='1263197' date='May 3 2007, 12:01 PM']I would challenge you to instead go out into the real world and find evangelical Christians to talk to, engage them in normal conversation without other people on this site and catholic apologetic resources to depend on.

The rubber meets the road for me in the real world. You can make a decent case for Catholicism online, but out there everything falls apart (in my experience).[/quote]

It's always a dichotomy with you folks. Why does it have to be the internet or the real world. I do both. I dialogue with many protestants in your "real world" and a couple of muslims and a jewish man currently. Why not use all means available to us to evangelize. Though I don't start out clubbing them over the head with a bible as some of my favorite prot radio hosts suggest. Rather I think it good to establish a freindship. That's the Catholic way.

Quite honestly in my experience on the net protestants don't have a chance at converting Catholics on a board like this, whereas there are many conversions in the other direction. Even on the protestant boards Catholics rarely if ever convert to Protestantism, while I have seen many examples of conversions in the opposite direction. When the truth is exposed to the light rather than the wolves preying on lost and separated sheep, things don't go the protestant way. Sorry.

Edited May 3, 2007 by thessalonian

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[quote name='Budge' post='1263141' date='May 3 2007, 09:36 AM']Most Protestants are joined with Rome...

ie they may disagree with you all on a few doctrinal stances, but many have embraced the Pope as a good moral world religious leaders.

Revelation 17 is coming to pass.

Bible Christians are in a different place then most of Protestantism..[/quote]


Do you understand that you are an incredibly naive hateful person..right? And the majority of your claims would be laughed off by anyone who has read a book. No offense. I just wonder if you are faking it sometime, or if this is really your worldview.

[Mateo el Feo]

Personally, I think it's good news that a decent case for the Catholic Faith can be made online; because each detail of an argument is subject to scrutiny. In contrast, a "real world" Catholic evangelist may not be able to quote a particular Biblical text which could help explain the Catholic Faith to someone asking questions about it.

I find that too much of evangelical proselytization (at least a decade or two ago) relied on the ignorance of Catholics and formulaic argumentation which misrepresentated the Catholic Faith. Nowadays, we know a lot more about their playbook, so it's quite a bit easier to respond to these challenges when they are made.

[thessalonian]

One time early in my message board days I was on a Catholic site. Catholicconverts.com, steve rays site. There were many protestants who had converted in part because of the board and several at the time that were coming in to the Church with a year or so. One of the Catholics started a thread asking people to list who they thought the best apologists for the Catholic faith were. There were of course lists of Belloc, Nueman, Keating, Aikin, Augustine, Irenaus, Aquinas, etc. etc. One of the protestants who was strongly considering becoming Catholic and eventually did said the one who did the most to move him toward the Church was a Budge like protestant who went by the handle of LOC or LetsobeyChrist. The usual straw man and red herring distortions type of poster. He said that guy di more to open him up and convince him of the Catholic faith than anyone in the Church. I’ve seen it other places as well. Let’s keep budge around. She’s annoying but she doesn’t convert anyone and she helps our cause with her bad arguments. Be kind to her. After all Augustine says that the heretics are allowed in the world to keep us on our toes so to speak. To keep us from getting complacent.

[Church Punk]

[quote name='Era Might' post='1262761' date='May 2 2007, 07:39 PM']Send a bucket of tacos, so very tasty and good for you, to the headquarters of the National Association of Evangelicals?[/quote]

Are protestants even allowed to eat tacos, so very tasty and good for you,????

[prose]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1263231' date='May 3 2007, 12:04 PM']I just wonder if you are faking it sometime, or if this is really your worldview.[/quote]

I have wondered that too sometimes. I have even wondered if it is someone here with a different screen name trying to get our "swords sharp" if you will.

[thessalonian]

No budge is for real. I've met many like her on the net. When people don't have Catholicism they really tend to exalt their own beliefs and their perspective and logic goes out the door. Budge is not particularly unusual, in fact is rather mild as anti-catholics go. Further she does not mean to be hateful. She thinks she is doing us a favor by warning us of the evils of Catholicism. Who knows what the motives of her heart are, if it is left over baggage from her days as a Catholic, some sin involved that blinded her to the truth along the way, or just plain ignorance. We of course hope the latter.

[hoosieranna]

[quote name='Church Punk' post='1263382' date='May 3 2007, 03:34 PM']Are protestants even allowed to eat tacos, so very tasty and good for you,????[/quote]

Regularly and with great pleasure!

[jeffpugh]

Hey. I saw this thread and thought "what... attack protestants??" Then I thought of the many games of Starcraft I've had with some fundie prods... ahh good times. Seriously, I know of a forum we could invade... basically we should just go on and challenge them to come on out to PM for some pie and good times. You all like pie, right? Or do I have to bring about this Welsh Cake thing again...


Edit: GodChaser (dude!) are you back again? Or was this just a moment where you decided to peek your head in to see how we're doing? Either way is cool. Come on over when you're ready.

Edited May 3, 2007 by Sacred Music Man

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='Church Punk' post='1263382' date='May 3 2007, 02:34 PM']Are protestants even allowed to eat tacos, so very tasty and good for you,????[/quote]

Not after I take control of the world.

[GodChaser]

I've got a suggestion.

Perhaps you should give them the respect to acknowledge they are already saved by the grace of God and being a Catholic isn't a requirement for salvation.

I think that would be the best way to get people to come over here.

To Budge, if you haven't already realized, the great Apostocy is happening. If someone can put up a Heresy like [url="http://www.144000saints.com"]http://www.144000saints.com[/url] selling salvation for $24.95, you can tell Christianity is not what is use to be!

Bible Beliving Christians are few and far inbetween now! Most have gone into that whole spiritual mumbo jumbo Pentecostal/Charismatic stuff which most of it is demonic possession.

Oh well, things are coming to a close soon!

[Era Might]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1263528' date='May 3 2007, 07:31 PM']Not after I take control of the world.[/quote]

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='GodChaser' post='1263539' date='May 3 2007, 08:58 PM']I've got a suggestion.

Perhaps you should give them the respect to acknowledge they are already saved by the grace of God and being a Catholic isn't a requirement for salvation.

I think that would be the best way to get people to come over here.

To Budge, if you haven't already realized, the great Apostocy is happening. If someone can put up a Heresy like [url="http://www.144000saints.com"]http://www.144000saints.com[/url] selling salvation for $24.95, you can tell Christianity is not what is use to be!

Bible Beliving Christians are few and far inbetween now! Most have gone into that whole spiritual mumbo jumbo Pentecostal/Charismatic stuff which most of it is demonic possession.

Oh well, things are coming to a close soon![/quote]

Whoah... metamorphosis... and man... I felt like I was being hit with a LEFT and a RIGHT on the Christian extremes today... oy vey... Don't get me wrong, I think it's an interesting point... but "Bible believing Christians" is a broad brush... heh heh...