How Do We Attrack More Protestants To Phatmass.

[johnnydigit]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1266023' date='May 6 2007, 11:48 AM']I heard on Friday on the radio that a man was celebrating his 100th alter call. This time for sure he is saved.[/quote]

it's such a waterdowned version of confession. i wonder if protestant psychologist/therapists have seen the practical benefits of confession and penance. you'd think that if they dislike the hierarchy so much, they'd still use the model of confession without the priest. but i guess that would mean someone would need to take a vow of secrecy. or someone would need to have special duties. or someone would need an office of some sort. and have educational requirements. and have obligations. oh wait, that's what a priest does, can't have that.

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BUDGE!!!!!!!

[jeffpugh]

And Rev still Yells at Budge for something... hahaha What is it again? Might need to re-iterate...

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[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1264481' date='May 4 2007, 04:50 PM']Couple things.

1.) You have found a way to disqualify everyone but you.

2.) I grew up in an evangelical church, I have an evangelical academic bible college degree (I will tommorow..woot-woot) I was and am as evangelical as you could imagine. How am I not your lose end that you can not tie up? Would you argue my "flavor" of evangelical was not " bible" as yours? Would you argue I did not put enough active effort into it? How do I directly fit in your great teaching?

3.) You hold to the same ECF's, you rebel and whine about them. But you believe in a triune God, you believe in the canon of scripture, you believe Christ was divine and human, you dont honor history. You steal from it.

p.s. I cant Stand Joel Osteen either...what a misjustice that he gets popular and a book like "Embrace and Exclusion" by Volf does not.[/quote]


[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1264842' date='May 5 2007, 01:32 AM']Woah....you just earned major brownie points. I did a final in class based on his "theology of a hug" based on his background it is just an amazing book.
Hey look..Budge made a post but once again refuse to comment on what I said.

I am the flaw in your logic, I am the problem for your worldview budge. My simple existence shows your claim to be bunk. By you ignoring this you just prove the point all the more.[/quote]

[jeffpugh]

Ooh... I see now... lemmie do the bump thing again

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Hey Budge..

How about instead of NEW topics and drive by spamming you deal with an objection to your argument? I am a biblical christian, in YOUR ARENA who was mentored by YOUR leaders, who has an undergrad degree from an academic BIBLE college and I CONVERTED into CATHOLICISM!!!!

How does that work in your model? Are you gonna say i didnt have a true relationship? Are you gonna say I didnt put enough time into understanding my evangelical faith? Are you going to question my ability to reason? C'mon. lets hear it.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Revprodeji' post='1268143' date='May 8 2007, 04:29 PM']Hey Budge..

How about instead of NEW topics and drive by spamming you deal with an objection to your argument? I am a biblical christian, in YOUR ARENA who was mentored by YOUR leaders, who has an undergrad degree from an academic BIBLE college and I CONVERTED into CATHOLICISM!!!!

How does that work in your model? Are you gonna say i didnt have a true relationship? Are you gonna say I didnt put enough time into understanding my evangelical faith? Are you going to question my ability to reason? C'mon. lets hear it.[/quote]

Don't waste your breath, Budge is a sheltered female. When push comes to shove, she hides in the bushes.

Edited May 8, 2007 by Paladin D

[jeffpugh]

It is a bit harsh, but it could be true...

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You can take the female part out...A couple of the best debators I know, as well as the best christian influences I have are christian.

Im just shocked no budge yet.

[desertwoman]

[quote name='johnnydigit' post='1266192' date='May 6 2007, 06:09 PM'] it's such a waterdowned version of confession. i wonder if protestant psychologist/therapists have seen the practical benefits of confession and penance. you'd think that if they dislike the hierarchy so much, they'd still use the model of confession without the priest. but i guess that would mean someone would need to take a vow of secrecy. or someone would need to have special duties. or someone would need an office of some sort. and have educational requirements. and have obligations. oh wait, that's what a priest does, can't have that.[/quote]


We do my friend. They are called accountabilty partners. But I never had a partner because I'm too secretive.

[Paladin D]

I apologize for any misunderstanding, I wasn't implying being female as a negative thing. Simply pointing out she is a female who is sheltered. If she was a male, I would've said "sheltered male" or "sheltered man".

[Budge]

[quote]I am a biblical christian, in YOUR ARENA who was mentored by YOUR leaders, who has an undergrad degree from an academic BIBLE college and I CONVERTED into CATHOLICISM!!!![/quote]

MY leaders?

NEO-Evangelicals who left out Bible Prophecy and Rome's true role?

Youre just one statistic of the great falling away, which includes sadly many evangelical churches.

{I bet chances are you were in an evangelical church with strong ties to the WCC and NCC}

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Budge' post='1268445' date='May 8 2007, 10:10 PM']MY leaders?

NEO-Evangelicals who left out Bible Prophecy and Rome's true role?

Youre just one statistic of the great falling away, which includes sadly many evangelical churches.

{I bet chances are you were in an evangelical church with strong ties to the WCC and NCC}[/quote]


If you want to play that kind of game...

It's better that he's one statistic of the great falling away (towards Jesus Christ), than to be a pawn of The Deceiver, such as yourself.

[Budge]

[quote]than to be a pawn of The Deceiver, such as yourself.[/quote]

Aren't pawns under BISHOPS?

{if they are talented pawns they become the NEXT generation of bishops}

Edited May 9, 2007 by Budge

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Budge' post='1268445' date='May 8 2007, 10:10 PM']MY leaders?

NEO-Evangelicals who left out Bible Prophecy and Rome's true role?

Youre just one statistic of the great falling away, which includes sadly many evangelical churches.

{I bet chances are you were in an evangelical church with strong ties to the WCC and NCC}[/quote]
WHAT A COP OUT! We waited all this time for THAT answer? I'm sorry, but you could have said that sooner and got it out of the way... I don't understand you Budge

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Budge' post='1268460' date='May 8 2007, 10:19 PM']Aren't pawns under BISHOPS?

{if they are talented pawns they become the NEXT generation of bishops}

[/quote]

If you know anything about chess, which apparently you don't, pawns are not under bishops. They are at the mercy of the "player". I'm on the side of player #1 - Jesus Christ. You're on the side of player #2 - Satan.

Edited May 9, 2007 by Paladin D

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No Budge...BAD budge. They are not neo-evangelicals. I couldnt stand them as much as you cant. But to be evangelical does not mean that you ignore some polemic ignorant comments on "Rome." Find some credible evangelical leaders that actually buy into that.

My direct mentorship was Dr. Greg Boyd. (and besides open theism...which is very anti-catholic in the way it is formed) who is considered one of the brightest minds in the evangelical community. I woul appreciate if you would give me the names of people who you think are "true" evangelicals.

I did not have any ties to the WCC in anyway. I did not know they even existed until slightly before my conversion. They have no credibility with my mentors.

C'mon Budge. Give me something better. I talked to programs from Fuller, Emmanuel, Trinity, Bethel and various others. A poster (The Joey O) knew me as an evangelical and can attest to this. I was in the evangelical arena, I was being trained by YOUR leaders. Your tactic of writing off everyone but you is primative and really annoying.

[Ragamuffin]

I'm a Protestant and I think you've got a good forum going. I'd go to a few Protestant oriented forums, send a PM or email to the administrator and ask if you could invite people over and possibly do a reciprocal link thing.

[Budge]

Rev...

So youve forsaken evangelical teachings and gone Catholic?

Why does that surprise me, most of the evangelical church is falling away, either into megachurch prosperity nonsense or into Emergent church, Catholic false theology. All I have to is read [i]Christianity Today[/i] {By the way I do monthly so I know what is going on} to know the apostate state of the evangelical church. You are actually one of MANY.

[Budge]

Another sign of the great falling away...
[quote]Many Evangelicals are turning to Roman Catholic styles of spirituality, such as ritualistic, rote prayers, chanting, meditation, and “the daily office.” The latest issue of Christianity Today contains a lengthy description by Mennonite pastor Arthur Boers of his visit to four ecumenical religious communities--Taize, Lindisfarne, Iona, and Northumbria--and his increasing love for liturgical practices. Boers testifies: “About two decades ago, on a whim, I bought a discontinued book by a famous Catholic priest. As a convinced evangelical Anabaptist, I was skeptical. But I was also curious. As it turned out, this book became the starting point in my recovery of a fuller prayer life through the daily office.”

The Roman Catholic connection is very strong in all of this. Roger Schutz, founder of the Taize community in France, participated in the Catholic Vatican Council II, which was held from 1962 to 1965; and Pope John Paul II himself visited Taize in October 1986. When George Carey, the Archbishop of Canterbury, took 1,000 youth to Taize in 1992, “he was struck at how evangelicals, Catholics, and charismatics all felt at home” (Christianity Today, Jan. 8, 2001).

Christian and secular bookstores have begun carrying many books promoting “this pre-Reformation form of spirituality.” These include The Cloister Walk, Book of Hours, The Soul Aflame, Evensong, A Book of Daily Prayer, The Divine Hours, and The Prayer Book of the Medieval Era.

On a visit to Golden Gate Theological Seminary (Southern Baptist) in 2000, I noticed that most of the required reading for the course on “Classics of Church Devotion” are books by Roman Catholic authors: Spiritual Exercises by Ignatius of Loyola (founder of the Jesuits), The Cloud of Unknowing (by an unknown 14th century Catholic monk), New Seeds of Contemplation by Thomas Merton (a Catholic convert from Anglicanism), Confessions of Saint Augustine (one of the fathers of the Roman Catholic Church), The Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kempis, Selected Works of Bernard of Clairvaux, and The Interior Castle by Teresa of Avila (the latter two are Catholic “saints”).

The works of Roman Catholic mystic Madame Guyon are very popular in evangelical churches and schools.

The Lord Jesus Christ warned about repetitious prayers, and He gave no liturgy to the churches apart from the simple ordinances of baptism and the Lord’s Supper. There is no New Testament pattern for the use of rote prayers, chanting, ringing bells, wearing special clothes, lighting candles, and such things.

Rome replaced New Testament spirituality, which is a living relationship with Jesus Christ through by faith in His finished Atonement, with its false tradition and dead liturgy. It is sad to see men who profess to be “anabaptists” and evangelicals going back to this ritualism.[/quote]

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