Death Penalty

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561153' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:06 PM']All pedophiles should be executed, no exceptions.[/quote]


1) That's your opinion.

2) I certainly hope you mean all pedophiles that are actually offenders. In the same way that there are homosexuals that have never acted on there perversions, there are also pedophiles that don't act on their perversions.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561162' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:15 PM']What are the statistics on escaping prisoners? I can't remember hearing about any recently, or actually ever, but I have a bad memory, so if you can find some statistics that say that prisoners escape on a more than almost-never basis, that would peak my interest.[/quote] I reckon them rare. But they're possible.
[url="http://www.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/escapes/escapes.html"]http://www.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/escapes/escapes.html[/url]

Google it.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561165' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:18 PM']1) That's your opinion.

2) I certainly hope you mean all pedophiles that are actually offenders. In the same way that there are homosexuals that have never acted on there perversions, there are also pedophiles that don't act on their perversions.[/quote]
That's the best opinion out there. Pedophiles are predators. You want to stop a predator, you put it down. You don't give it a slap on the wrist or cage it. You put it down. The current practice ain't working.

If they don't offend, we don't know they're pedophiles, do we? If they have the disorder and it's discovered without them offending, they should be quarantined. Locked up permanently, but humanely.

I don't believe in playing roulette with children. I believe in zero risk when dealing with these predators.

I also believe we should, ata all costs, locate the members of NAMBLA and deal with them capitally.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561169' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:26 PM']If they don't offend, we don't know they're pedophiles, do we?[/quote]

Uhhmm actually, you'd be surprised. There are people out there who are open about it and talk about it, cooperate with psychologists and studies and what not. It *is* admittedly scary to know that they have the potential to attack a child, but, I don't believe in punishing someone before they've committed a crime. I agree that NAMBLA should be shut down and those who have broken laws should be dealt with to the letter of the law--nothing more, nothing less.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561168' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:19 PM']I reckon them rare. But they're possible.
[url="http://www.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/escapes/escapes.html"]http://www.soci.niu.edu/~critcrim/escapes/escapes.html[/url]

Google it.[/quote]


The [url="http://www.slate.com/id/1007001/"]most recent article[/url] I could find said that about one half of 1% of prisoners escape.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561124' date='Jun 6 2008, 12:48 PM']I've made it clear to my parents that if I am ever murdered I want it to be known to the judge and jury that I don't want my killer to have the death penalty. They've known this since I was about 12.

I know not everyone's like that... but my reasoning is, I want people to have as much time as possible to reconcile with God.[/quote]


That's very noble of you. What if the killer gets out of prison and murders someone else?

[Autumn Dusk]

there's a difference between being killed and calling that person a murder and being murdered viciously. Many of these people are too sick to function. Some are so psycopathic and mentally ill that no medicine could even get them to possibly reconsile their sins. And they affect other people wherever they go.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561179' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:42 PM']Uhhmm actually, you'd be surprised. There are people out there who are open about it and talk about it, cooperate with psychologists and studies and what not. It *is* admittedly scary to know that they have the potential to attack a child, but, I don't believe in punishing someone before they've committed a crime. I agree that NAMBLA should be shut down and those who have broken laws should be dealt with to the letter of the law--nothing more, nothing less.[/quote]
No I wouldn't be. We don't know. Precisely because of the protections afforded one when consulting a doctor. I reckon there are those who seek treatment, but to let them go free is to play roulette with the innocent and I don't believe in that.

My problem is with the letter of the law in this regard. It's resulted in far too much needless suffering. I'd probably be happy with life in prison without the possibility of parole [s]or food[/s]. But too many bleeding hearts want to let them go, or not put them in in the first place. Ask the victims of Couey what they think of letting pedophiles live. You might have trouble with the last ones because they're all dead.

[Alycin]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1561193' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:54 PM']That's very noble of you. What if the killer gets out of prison and murders someone else?[/quote]


That chances of that are next to nothing. See my last post in this thread.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561186' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:51 PM']The [url="http://www.slate.com/id/1007001/"]most recent article[/url] I could find said that about one half of 1% of prisoners escape.[/quote]
And there are how many prisoners?

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561198' date='Jun 6 2008, 03:02 PM']That chances of that are next to nothing. See my last post in this thread.[/quote]
One half of once percent isn't nothing. When you consider the number of people in prison, that's significant. Not to mention the guards who have to protect themselves from murderers. But hey, floopy them, they don't have families or anything.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561197' date='Jun 6 2008, 03:01 PM']I'd probably be happy with life in prison without the possibility of parole.[/quote]

Then you and I are in agreement.

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561197' date='Jun 6 2008, 03:01 PM']But too many bleeding hearts want to let them go, or not put them in in the first place.[/quote]

Oh please. That is the biggest load of BS I have heard in a long time. The only way your statement holds any truth at all is by the fact that even 1 person wanting to let them go, or not put them in in the first place, is too many. What a ridiculous generalization.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1561201' date='Jun 6 2008, 03:05 PM']One half of once percent isn't nothing.[/quote]

And I didn't say it was nothing, now did I?

And I'm sorry, but there are jobs that come with risks. Prison guard happens to be a pretty risky job, just like police officer, fireman, armed forces, FBI, etc. People choose their jobs. It's not a pretty job by any means but no one is forcing any of those people to take those jobs. Yes, obviously, someone "has" to do it. There are dangers all over the place. Excuse me if I don't believe in killing people off in order to make a job "safe." Lots of jobs aren't safe.

[Alycin]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561186' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:51 PM']The [url="http://www.slate.com/id/1007001/"]most recent article[/url] I could find said that about one half of 1% of prisoners escape.[/quote]


Oh and by the way, the article is 7 years old and in it it said that the numbers continue to decline. It also said that most prison escapes were due to negligence and/or insufficient supervision.

[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561198' date='Jun 6 2008, 02:02 PM']That chances of that are next to nothing. See my last post in this thread.[/quote]


I meant, if the killer is paroled. (not escapes...) Paroled murderers seems impossible, right? But it happens more than you think. I saw enough of that when I used to work for law enforcement. It is very frustrating. It would be great if we could keep them locked up, but they have legal ways of getting out. Look at the case for the serial killer, Kenneth Allan McDuff. He killed I don't know how many people after being imprisoned several times and getting out several times. The Justice system in this country is not what it should be...

[Alycin]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1561212' date='Jun 6 2008, 03:13 PM']I meant, if the killer is paroled. (not escapes...) Paroled murderers seems impossible, right? But it happens more than you think. I saw enough of that when I used to work for law enforcement. It is very frustrating. It would be great if we could keep them locked up, but they have legal ways of getting out. Look at the case for the serial killer, Kenneth Allan McDuff. He killed I don't know how many people after being imprisoned several times and getting out several times. The Justice system in this country is not what it should be...[/quote]


Then it seems that the justice system should be improved; not that we should kill people.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Alycin' post='1561202' date='Jun 6 2008, 03:05 PM']Oh please. That is the biggest load of BS I have heard in a long time. The only way your statement holds any truth at all is by the fact that even 1 person wanting to let them go, or not put them in in the first place, is too many. What a ridiculous generalization.[/quote]"I don't want to ruin his life over one incident." quote from juror dealing with a case involving the rape of a five year old girl. You think this is the only one out there who thinks like this? You apparently have a problem with understanding the number of people on this planet. You think that one half of one percent when you're dealing with a population of millions is "almost unheard of." There are millions of prisoners. If one out of 1000 escapes, assuming a population of 1 million, that's how many? There's a calculator on your computer.

Your mercy don't affect my daughter, you go on with it. Seeing as she's on this planet, I don't much care for your mercy. No offense, but my daughter means more to me than that of any scumbag criminal. I hope everyone goes to Heaven, but that don't mean I care to have them on this planet.

[dominicansoul]

The Justice system is broken. It will take a miracle to fix it.

IN the meantime, I gues it's okay for murderers to go on killing innocent people, then?

Killing people off was never my point. I said only in cases where it is absolutely necessary (like to protect society.) If some body brutally murdered you and went to prison and got life without parole, than great. But that's the problem, the sentences are never the same. Each case is different. Your killer may get 10 years and parole. Or perhaps, life without parole (which in my opinion, should be the norm for every murderer.) But this doesn't happen. Killers are paroled all the time. And many times, they repeat their crime. This is where I think the death penalty should be utilized.

I am not for unnecessary executions. If they can get rehab, if they can get help, if they can convert, if they can become better persons...all of that but KEEP THEM OUT OF SOCIETY...than GREAT! But for those cases where murderers kill people in such brutal fashion, and then get paroled and are out walking amongst us, looking for their next kill...that's where I see execution is necessary to PROTECT society.

[dominicansoul]

I was thinking about what you said, how you don't want your family to go for the death penalty if you are murdered. But it isn't up to the families. It's up to the Judge who would be trying your murderer.

If I get murdered (God forbid.) I wouldn't want my family to do anything but what is the just and the right thing to do. If that means being the voice to fight the murderer's execution, then, so be it. But if that monster were to have the chance to brutally murder somebody else...I would hope my family wouldn't fight to keep him alive.

Like I said before, I think that the death penalty may be God's way of punishing these killer's. They have time to repent, they have the time to embrace God, which is more than they gave their victims. At the same time they are made to feel the way they made their victims feel. They get to experience the horror they put their victims through, too. It's all good for their soul, don't you think???

[Alycin]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1561228' date='Jun 6 2008, 03:34 PM']I was thinking about what you said, how you don't want your family to go for the death penalty if you are murdered. But it isn't up to the families. It's up to the Judge who would be trying your murderer.[/quote]

Yes I know, this is why I said I have made my parents aware of my wishes so that they could voice my wishes to the judge and jury.


[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1561228' date='Jun 6 2008, 03:34 PM']Like I said before, I think that the death penalty may be God's way of punishing these killer's. They have time to repent, they have the time to embrace God, which is more than they gave their victims. At the same time they are made to feel the way they made their victims feel. They get to experience the horror they put their victims through, too. It's all good for their soul, don't you think???[/quote]

I'm not gonna make that call. Better to err on the side of life, IMO.