To Slap Or Not To Slap?

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' timestamp='1283909121' post='2169483']
Those were my thoughts exactly, HCF. I'd be mad if someone slapped my[i] child[/i], I'd probably go ballistic. But the way I read this article was that this was a young adult, late teens or early 20s. Someone who definitely should have known better and a fully appropriate situation for a smack. Were it a child I am sure the priest would have stopped what he was doing and had some sort of grave counsel with him instead of slapping him and hauling his arse out of Church. I'd be mortified at that behavior from my child, and doubly so if my child were an adult.
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Yeah. I wish there were more details, but the vagueness is most likely meant to protect all parties involved.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1283912299' post='2169526']
In all seriousness, if another adult disciplines my child, instead of me... good.

I would like to think that I raised my children well enough so they would never need to be disciplined, but if they step out of line, I [b]want[/b] other adults to exercise their "adultness", and discipline a child. I was raised to respect elders, and I raise my children the same way.

I am also realistic, so know that I will not be around my kids every minute of their lives. I can only pray that there will be other adults around who are not afraid to discipline my kids--because kids need discipline. I make it a point to let my kid's friend's parents know that I expect them to be just as harsh on my child as they are their own. If slapping or spanking is justified, be my guest... actually, please do. I also make it clear to my kids that they should expect to be disciplined by other adults--so they know the consequences of their actions.

I ain't raising no punks.
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I'm fully in support of other people providing some sort of discipline for my child, friends and family members have been given permission to spank if necessary. I still think I'd object to someone slapping my child in the face, though. I don't slap my kids in the face, and I don't want anyone else to, either. Moving on to (young) adulthood the parameters change a little, and if my adult kid blasphemed slap away (although I pray to God I am doing a better job of raising them than that, I like to think I am).

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1283912591' post='2169530']
Those that are heavily against this...


You're lucky you don't live in the 1950's or earlier as a mere teacher had the authority to do much worse to a child for speaking out of line or swearing in the classroom...

If a teacher could smack a [u][b]child's[/b][/u] fingers for talking out of line, then surely a priest can slap a [u][b]young man[/b][/u] for desecration of Our Lord.


American (read Canada and USA) culture is weak and overly sensitive. Any corporal punishment that does not cause physical harm that in someway affects the overall health of a child or young adult should be permitted to an extent.

We're not talking about a priest roundhouse kicking someone or punching him in the face to break his nose. We're talking about a priest giving the same action to a young man that a young lady would give him for offending her.
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There are some who think that justifying disciplinary measures by comparing them to 1950s methods isnt a good thing.

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1283912632' post='2169531']
He was not being rude, he went to bed.
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My bad then.

[Slappo]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1283913181' post='2169540']
There are some who think that justifying disciplinary measures by comparing them to 1950s methods isnt a good thing.
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There are some who think that any sort of corporal punishment should be absolutely forbidden as a manner of discipline. Scripture, however, disagrees.


I'd hope you also read the rest of my post in which I compared the priests actions to that of a respectable young lady who had the courage to stand up for herself.

[Sternhauser]

Boy, that priest should have slapped that boy until he [i]acknowledged[/i] that he had done wrong. Over and over again. A million slaps, yea, even a million [i]lashes[/i] wouldn't be able to punish the boy for what he did, or force him to acknowledge that what he did was wrong, but that priest sure should have [i]tried[/i]. Perhaps he should have even called down fire from heaven upon the young blasphemer's house. Because that's how souls are saved.

~Sternhauser

Edited September 8, 2010 by Sternhauser

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1283910688' post='2169503']
Christ whipped people for similar offenses. Good night.
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Jesus drove people out of the temple (who had no right to be there) with violence. Christ's violence was intended to drive the moneychangers out, and if He upheld a truth at the same time, it was not by [i]means[/i] of the violence.

~Sternhauser

[Slappo]

[quote name='Sternhauser' timestamp='1283915508' post='2169564']
Boy, that priest should have slapped that boy until he [i]acknowledged[/i] that he had done wrong. Over and over again. A million slaps, yea, even a million [i]lashes[/i] wouldn't be able to punish the boy for what he did, or force him to acknowledge that what he did was wrong, but that priest sure should have [i]tried[/i]. Perhaps he should have even called down fire from heaven upon the young blasphemer's house. Because that's how souls are saved.

~Sternhauser
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I am glad that you recognize that the destruction of Soddom and Gommorah was done out of love and for the sake of the souls of those who dwelt there.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='IrishSalesian' timestamp='1283902725' post='2169381']
I think also we should take culture into account. This did after all take place in Spain, Valencia no less.
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Can you give more context than that? I mean, I realize it's a different culture than here, but what exactly do you mean by that statement?

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1283907596' post='2169453']
I may be psychic, but not *that* psychic.

Well I dunno. Seems to me that if you have a kid who's going to pull something like that, you should have him on a darn tight leash, and be slapping a bit of sense into him before the priest even gets his chance.
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Agreed. It seems that the parents haven't gotten through to this guy and if a priest can't use his authority in spiritual matters, does that mean also that a police officer or judge or what have you should not be allowed to exercise their authority in civil matters, merely because the parents would prefer to be the ones to discipline?

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1283912299' post='2169526']
In all seriousness, if another adult disciplines my child, instead of me... good.

I would like to think that I raised my children well enough so they would never need to be disciplined, but if they step out of line, I [b]want[/b] other adults to exercise their "adultness", and discipline a child. I was raised to respect elders, and I raise my children the same way.

I am also realistic, so know that I will not be around my kids every minute of their lives. I can only pray that there will be other adults around who are not afraid to discipline my kids--because kids need discipline. I make it a point to let my kid's friend's parents know that I expect them to be just as harsh on my child as they are their own. If slapping or spanking is justified, be my guest... actually, please do. I also make it clear to my kids that they should expect to be disciplined by other adults--so they know the consequences of their actions.

I ain't raising no punks.
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You are the sort of parent I would have liked to work for when I used to babysit! One family, with 7 kids, I had next to no real problems with, because the kids knew that I had full authority and what I said was law. Then there was the little brat who locked me out of his house, and never got in trouble for anything, and I couldn't do anything to make him behave, because his parents wouldn't enforce any sort of rules on him...I only babysat him twice.

[IcePrincessKRS]

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A Catholic priest in Spain’s province of Valencia slapped a young man in a church in the town of Rótova during a local festival on the evening of September 5. Believing that the young man had discarded a communion wafer, which the Catholic faith teaches is truly the body and blood of Jesus Christ under the mere appearance of bread, Rev. Victor Jimeno then threw him out of the church while denouncing him as a “blasphemer.” The victim, however, returned the blow. A local politician has called upon the priest, as well as the young man and his parents, to meet on September 7 to discuss the matter.

According to statements made by the priest, the young man may actually be innocent and is taking the blame for a friend who actually did commit the deed. The priest spoke to the parents of the young man, who has taken to bed in an apparent fit of pique. Said Rev. Jimeno, “Rótova is a small town, a big family, and we don’t want the news to go further,” while he hopes that the town will not become the butt of jokes. While he recognized that it was indeed members of his own congregation who committed the outrage, the priest says he wants to promote reconciliation and peace.

A friend of the young man who was assaulted by the priest explained that his friend is very upset and unrepentant. The friend explained that the young man threw the communion wafer to the floor during a fit of choking.[/quote]

http://www.speroforum.com/site/article.asp?idCategory=33&idsub=124&id=39285&t=Spanish+priest+strikes+parishioner+for+blasphemy

This was linked from the article Red posted.

I'm not sure I buy the young man's story. It seems like "a fit of choking" would be pretty obvious.

[Slappo]

Also... to THROW a communion wafer to the ground while choking would still be an intentional act.

To drop it would be another matter... but "throw" does not bring to mind a picture of a wafer softly sliding out of a choking man's hand.

[Norseman82]

Well, in the tradition I come from, the parents would have hit the kid twice as hard when he got home.

[Sternhauser]

[quote name='Slappo' timestamp='1283916209' post='2169571']
I am glad that you recognize that the destruction of Soddom and Gommorah was done out of love and for the sake of the souls of those who dwelt there.
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Who said it was for the sake of the souls of the people who lived there? Are you unwilling to believe that God wasn't destroying those cities to prevent the spread of their contagion?

As it is, I can see that the people might very well have been destroyed for the good of their souls: had they been allowed by their Creator to continue to pile sin upon sin on themselves, they would have ended up in a worse state in hell than they [i]already[/i] would have been, so certainly, I can see it as a merciful act.

Bottom line: God didn't force them to accept Him by means of violence. He didn't terrorize them for the sake of their conversions. He killed them. Period.

~Sternhauser

Edited September 8, 2010 by Sternhauser

[IcePrincessKRS]

I've been looking around and I found a couple more sources that say the guy actually took the Eucharist out of his mouth and broke it up in front of the priest.

I used google translator for this page but it was rough. It sounds, though, like the desecration was quite deliberate.
http://www.levante-emv.com/comarcas/2010/09/06/cura-rotova-lia-tortazos-festero-rompio-hostia-altar/736603.html

[Tridenteen]

JMJ
Like I said, beat the croutons out of the guy for being so nasty deliberatley

[Jaime]

[quote name='Tridenteen' timestamp='1283919989' post='2169590']
JMJ
Like I said, beat the croutons out of the guy for being so nasty deliberatley
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How do you start a post like this with JMJ? I honestly don't get it