Teen_Catholic Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1307161567' post='2249789'] that's a pretty bold statement to make, and one that i wouldn't make lightly. you have no right to say that just because a nun is not wearing a habit, she is 'vow-less.' [/quote] I did misphrase that sorry-I also read their pamphlet and their display table. It seemed as if they just lived as a community by what they themselves wrote. I agree that I shouldn't have used probably, but it does seem most likely. Edited June 4, 2011 by Teen_Catholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1307147406' post='2249686'] the role of [i]extraordinary[/i] Eucharistic Minister shouldn't be given to make teenagers feel "ownership and pride in their faith." *sigh* Abuse of this role is so rampant, even with adults.... [/quote] Why is it that you think this is a responsibility that is just "given" to someone instead of awarded to them based on their spirituality and disposition? [quote name='Teen_Catholic' timestamp='1307158377' post='2249770'] I have never been to Life Teen [i]group[/i] as my parents would never let me near the rock band, happy-go-lucky, do-whatever-feels-okay, croutons. I have been to my church's "teen" [i]Mass[/i] before and, honestly, it feels more like a rock group than a Mass. i have no problem with people singing Christian rock music with high amps, but not during Mass. At the my archdiocese youth convention, I was shocked to see a "nun" habit-less and probably vow-less too, speaking heretical things. I agree with DS; teens don't want this nonsense. It's so empty and meaningless. If youth ministers spent more time teaching Church teaching than singing "God is amesome" type songs, kids would be a lot better off. There are even fun Catholic games. Or maybe I'm just lame. All this coming from a teenage girl of course. [/quote] You are lame, but not for the reasons you think. You start off your post by saying that you've never been to a LIFE TEEN group, and then go on to make a whole bunch of (wrong) assumptions about the program before generalizing about what "teens" want. I don't know what the Church has against being "happy-go-lucky," nor do I see where the "do-whatever-feels-okay" part kicks in--as others have mentioned, LIFE TEEN is extremely doctrinally conservative. They preach the truth, and encourage others to do so in whatever manner their community seems most receptive to. And I agree with Lil Red that you're snide remark about the sister at this youth convention. But I shouldn't be surprised, all this coming from a teenage girl, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 Wait. If someone speaks heresy, I have a problem with that. I really don't care what kind of music people sing at mass (yes, yes, you can sing 'Like a Sunflower' and I probably won't cringe too badly - childhood memories count for something). I really don't care if Life Teen is someone's 'thing' or not. I even don't care if nuns wear what I think looks like a habit or not. But if someone is preaching heresy to the youth, that needs to stop and be condemned. Granted, in the post above, it was not clear to me what the nun had to do with Life Teen. Nor do I know if what was being said was actually heretical. I am a teacher, and I've heard students misrepresent what was said in the classroom many times. A teacher tried to explain something, and all they heard was...something else. So, I'll give the person the benefit of the doubt (innocent until proven guilty), but... If someone is preaching heresy to the youth, that needs to stop. Tell the pastor, tell the bishop, tell the parents, do [i]something[/i] about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 (edited) I've been to Life Teen mass at the church down the road. It's a performance. There is banter between the band (they are not a choir) and the celebrant. It has gotten better. There used to be a gaggle of teenagers chattering away in the vestibule and applause. To many, the purpose of Life Teen seems to justify the mass as entertainment. Edited June 4, 2011 by Winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1307194570' post='2249854'] To many, the purpose of Life Teen seems to justify the mass as entertainment. [/quote] ...in your experience, with the one parish you've visited... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1307199517' post='2249873'] ...in your experience, with the one parish you've visited... [/quote] Yes, I put in that post my entire experience with all the Life Teen masses to which I've been subjected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissScripture Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1307181220' post='2249826'] Why is it that you think this is a responsibility that is just "given" to someone instead of awarded to them based on their spirituality and disposition? [/quote] Because it is not a responsibility that anyone CAN ever really earn or be "awarded". No one can EVER be worthy enough. This is our LORD and SAVIOR. Distributing the Eucharist, the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord, not some sort of award! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 that's a non-sequitur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 [quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1307156865' post='2249758'] I have a feeling that i shall as well (may be because i've already attended several ) [/quote] Rub it in, punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amppax Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 [quote name='AudreyGrace' timestamp='1307201938' post='2249881'] Rub it in, punk. [/quote] Ok. I've been to FoP's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudreyGrace Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 [quote name='Amppax' timestamp='1307203278' post='2249886'] Ok. I've been to FoP's [/quote] hope you like stinky clothes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 [quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1307200505' post='2249877'] Because it is not a responsibility that anyone CAN ever really earn or be "awarded". No one can EVER be worthy enough. This is our LORD and SAVIOR. Distributing the Eucharist, the body, blood, soul and divinity of our Lord, not some sort of award! [/quote] Come on, Missy. Don't play the semantics game with me. In a very literal sense, it IS a responsiblity--there needs to be a certain amount of EMs at a given mass so as to serve the needs of the congregation. And when a parish or pastor or deacon decide to ask someone to be one, it ought to be a tremendously humbling honor. It's not an issue of being "worthy" for a "reward" and I never insinuated it was. So spare me the theology lesson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 I have never been to a Life Teen Mass. The "closest" I have ever come to Life Teen was their online forum, which was actually the very first Catholic forum I had ever joined, and overall I had a positive experience there. Of course that was just a place of like-minded teenage Catholics, not an actual Life Teen youth group or Mass. The youth group at my parish is not Life Teen, "in my day" I only went to a couple meetings because I thought that it was cliquey and there was nothing very - spiritually beneficial about it. The first Sunday of the month my parish has a 6pm Mass considered a "youth Mass" but anyone can attend, of course. I hope the kids go to more than one Mass per month though...Anyway the "youth Mass" basically means that kids lector and sing, the latter usually strumming a guitar or two. I think, like all of us, that there is a serious catechesis problem in the Church today and it begins with our youth. I think a lot of youth ministers have the right intentions but the wrong methods - you might be able to temporarily pull kids into Church life by getting them involved in reading, and the music program, and serving on the altar, and doing little plays and whatnot, but that's pretty much community-based rather than theologically-based, all external and no internal. (I'm sure that Life Teen programs have Adoration though, I mean that's been mentioned in this thread.) The right methods would be to introduce the kids to Catholic teaching, the kind that's not discussed in CCD class, especially since CCD ends in the 8th grade (where I'm from at least) and kids are in youth group up until they're seniors in high school. Once they really get into what the Church teaches they'll get hungry for more and develop a really sound theological mind. Then they won't care if they read at Mass or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1307205557' post='2249892'] Come on, Missy. Don't play the semantics game with me. In a very literal sense, it IS a responsiblity--there needs to be a certain amount of EMs at a given mass so as to serve the needs of the congregation. And when a parish or pastor or deacon decide to ask someone to be one, it ought to be a tremendously humbling honor. It's not an issue of being "worthy" for a "reward" and I never insinuated it was. So spare me the theology lesson. [/quote] What are the "needs" of the congregation, though? I think too many parishioners rush out the door after Mass, a bunch after receiving. People need to be encouraged to stay in the pews, and especially encouraged to pray, pray, pray. If distribution of Holy Communion took an extra 10 or 15 minutes because there are two priests and one deacon distributing, you would have time to pray the Rosary or the Chaplet of Divine Mercy. There is too much rush, rush, rush and I believe MissScripture is just concerned that Christ is not getting the reverence He deserves. As an aside, I know in my parish that the pastor does not ask you to be an extraordinary minister, extraordinary ministers volunteer - and not a single volunteer is turned away (my dad is an usher so I'm "in the know" lol). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 4, 2011 Share Posted June 4, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1307181220' post='2249826'] And I agree with Lil Red that you're snide remark about the sister at this youth convention. But I shouldn't be surprised, all this coming from a teenage girl, of course. [/quote] Kujo, I understand that you are passionate about the Life Teen program. Clearly your participation in the program has made you the orthodox Catholic you are today. But let's not fight snideness with snideness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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