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[Theresita Nerita]

I have to agree with Brian. Yes, it's hard not to masturbate. It's hard not to watch porn (and I'm a girl, y'all, as someone once said). But it IS possible. It smells of elderberries. But it's possible. Saying it's "a lot to ask" is not the same as saying it's impossible, or "not my fault"... just to be real, the only reason i'm on here right now is that I've got two oversized NYC vodka martinis in me and if I wasn't on phatmass I'd be watching porn right now. But I'm not, and I DO believe it is better not to.

And we girls don't have the whole benefit of the "think of the girl and what she's gone through" technique. Because we girls understand the existential angst that goes into wanting to degrade yourself, and we understand that feminine sexuality is often very closely bound to self-degradation. And we understand that "well no one wants to be degraded" is not necessarily true, or is a simplistic way to view Human Nature. Because human nature is often illogical and often immoral.

That said, I second Brian that despite its immediate suckiness, chastity gives me more than one could ever hope for from unchastity. Good luck and prayers to everyone.

[cmaD2006]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321524576' post='2337333']
And getting drunk is a grave sin but that's fine. Its joked about here. Heck there is even the cute avator with the drunk wasted guy drinking beers or whateve. And btw I love phatmass and all of you. lol I'm not hating. Alright. Peace.
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I don't think there is a single person on the board who would think that drinking to the excess where you lose control and cannot function is not grave sin. It is.

There are some that joke about it ... sometimes I am sorry for that. It's one thing to say "I need a drink" for example vs. saying "I'm going to go get drunk."

Finally ... having a single drink is very different than masturbating once. The catechism does not say that having a single drink is bad ... it probably (and I am too lazy to look it up) says something about drinking (or for that matter, eating) in excess. But as USAirwaysIHS helped me earlier to show -- the catechism is clear about masturbation.

[cmaD2006]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321523166' post='2337326']
I haven't had sex in 5 years. I consider myself chaste. If I masturbate alone in my room....
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Sorry but I believe this is not the definition of being chaste. Part of being chaste is learning how to control such urges. And God does give the graces needed to live a pure and chaste life while seeking a spouse (or while searching for a religious community, etc.)

I know men and women are wired differently -- but I have met men who live a very chaste life. Who are Religious Brothers and Priests. They are the testament that it is possible ... and it is not just possible for only the religious but also for laity.

[cmaD2006]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1321525201' post='2337340']
Please stay on topic. Thanks.
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Sorry ... my last 2 posts were off topic again. My bad.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='cmariadiaz' timestamp='1321584367' post='2337710']
Sorry ... my last 2 posts were off topic again. My bad.
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That's okay. I think the topics are pretty closely tied... sometime threads take on a life of their own.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Solution to porn addiction in men... Tell them your worried coz it's kinda homo-sexual watching other guys do it, why do you wan't to observe another mans penis in such a manner ? Outside of the statue of david i ain't observing no penis' especially not to ogle at it and mind you i ain't ogling tha statue of david neither,watching porn is such a focused activity on another dudes penis why?[mod]edited for language ---ICP[/mod] And am sure it's not only a man problem so same goes for you women too. why? [mod] edited for language ---ICP[/mod]

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

penis is penis, vagina is vagina, penis is made for the vagina and the vagina is made for the penis,sure we all know that right so why you wanna look at another dudes penis for any extended period of time if your a dude and visa versa for the women whom suffer this evil con str8 from babylon karma drama oppress the poor ,what the [email="!@#$"]!@#$[/email] for ?

[rachael]

[quote name='Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye' timestamp='1321585100' post='2337721']
penis is penis, vagina is vagina
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unless you're a hermaphrodite.

[morostheos]

For the topic of women and porn, I HIGHLY recommend this blog: goodwomenproject.com

[cmaD2006]

Tab -- please carefully think before posting. To assume that a woman who has porn issues is attracted to other women is making major assumptions. Same with what you said about men.

Your posts were really off -- and if you weren't 100% in your right mind when you were posting them then refrain.

I did see you are going into rehab soon -- that's great. I'm sure we the pham will be praying for you ... in the meanwhile please try to think and be charitable before you post.

Blessings and peace to you,

Edited November 18, 2011 by cmariadiaz

[Guest]

[quote name='cmariadiaz' timestamp='1321584252' post='2337707']

Sorry but I believe this is not the definition of being chaste. Part of being chaste is learning how to control such urges. And God does give the graces needed to live a pure and chaste life while seeking a spouse (or while searching for a religious community, etc.)

I know men and women are wired differently -- but I have met men who live a very chaste life. Who are Religious Brothers and Priests. They are the testament that it is possible ... and it is not just possible for only the religious but also for laity.[/quote] Ok well I respect your opinon. I am not chaste in your eyes which is fine. I think being a 30 year old male and choosing not to have sex the last 5 years says something postive about me though. I again really doubt a 30 year old male that hasnt had sex the last 5 years like me with a normal sex drive hasn't not struggled with masturbation and lust. I agree one shouldn't just give in and not even try to avoid it. And there have beeen times when I've sunk that low. But there have been other times where I've tried my best not too. Mabey there are some perfect catholics who don't have sex ever and never masturbate. I don't think this is reality but whate3ver. Mabey there are tons of chaste catholics out there who are perfect and can contgroll themselves to that extent.

Edited November 18, 2011 by Guest

[Nihil Obstat]

Nobody is perfect, but not everybody suffers from the same burdens. Nobody's cross is identical.

[Guest]

[quote name='cmariadiaz' timestamp='1321584068' post='2337703']

I don't think there is a single person on the board who would think that drinking to the excess where you lose control and cannot function is not grave sin. It is.

There are some that joke about it ... sometimes I am sorry for that. It's one thing to say "I need a drink" for example vs. saying "I'm going to go get drunk."

Finally ... having a single drink is very different than masturbating once. The catechism does not say that having a single drink is bad ... it probably (and I am too lazy to look it up) says something about drinking (or for that matter, eating) in excess. But as USAirwaysIHS helped me earlier to show -- the catechism is clear about masturbation.[/quote] I don't think there is nothen wrong with getting drunk as long as you are safe and mature about it. And tons of church militant people here feel the same way. I don't think you should get wasted and be out of controll. Yettt the church teaches getting DRUNK is a grave and mortal sin. But I'm going off topic again. Anyhow Godbless.

[Guest]

And you say you met men who are very chaste and what not. Do you think they tell you if they masturbate alone in their room at night ? I'm just being really honest and real in this thread. Its not stuff I come out and say all the time. I could just tell you guys I haven't had sex the last 5 years and I don't watch porn and you would be telling me GREAT JOB.

Edited November 18, 2011 by Guest

[cmaD2006]

I guess Delivery Boy if I were you, pray that the Lord transforms with your conscience and the teaching of the Church. I think this society (not blaming you Del. Boy btw) has taught that a whole lot of things are perfectly fine when in fact they really aren't. It is a shame really. But then again we are called to live in the world, but not to be of the world (i.e. strive for holiness).

And Delivery Boy -- ok. You don't agree. But you know what? To insinuate that the people that I am talking about actively are in sin? No that's a bit out of line. It is true -- I don't know what happens behind closed doors because I'm not physically there. But they are in VOWS. In those cases, it would be a compounded sin (I believe it would add a sin of sacriledge, but I have to look it up). That would make it all the more mortal.

You know what? God can transform a heart if the person allows it. God can do a mighty work in each person. And I truly believe that He can transform someone such that they are living a pure and chaste life without mortal sin.

Edited November 18, 2011 by cmariadiaz

[cmaD2006]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321588547' post='2337763']
I'm just being really honest and real in this thread. Its not stuff I come out and say all the time. I could just tell you guys I haven't had sex the last 5 years and I don't watch porn and you would be telling me GREAT JOB.
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First an apology for not just quoting above -- should have done that.

But what I did want to say ... it is great that you have been honest about yourself in this thread. But you also need to read what we've been saying. Why? Because we're repeating what the Church teaches.

Church teaching may not be easy to swallow. But I guarantee it will lead to holiness and growth in the Lord.

Peace and blessings to you, and may the Lord give you the strength to follow Him to wherever He may lead.

Edited November 18, 2011 by cmariadiaz

[Guest]

[quote name='cmariadiaz' timestamp='1321588812' post='2337766']I guess Delivery Boy if I were you, pray that the Lord transforms with your conscience and the teaching of the Church. I think this society (not blaming you Del. Boy btw) has taught that a whole lot of things are perfectly fine when in fact they really aren't. It is a shame really. But then again we are called to live in the world, but not to be of the world (i.e. strive for holiness).

And Delivery Boy -- ok. You don't agree. But you know what? To insinuate that the people that I am talking about actively are in sin? No that's a bit out of line. It is true -- I don't know what happens behind closed doors because I'm not physically there. But they are in VOWS. In those cases, it would be a compounded sin (I believe it would add a sin of sacriledge, but I have to look it up). That would make it all the more mortal.

You know what? God can transform a heart if the person allows it. God can do a mighty work in each person. And I truly believe that He can transform someone such that they are living a pure and chaste life without mortal sin.[/quote]Ok you're taking me wrong. I think maturbation is a grave sin anf wrong. We agree. All I'm saying let's be real about it. Guys masturbate. When I go confesss this sin and a priest says its not even a sin and I'm not culpable (sp) that's saying something. Yettt I agree with the churches teachings and I'm saying I think masturbatiion is wrong. But just because a guy does and struggles with it at a young age I don't think that necessarily means that he is unchaste if he isn't having sex and fornicating. I guarentee priest and religious guys in there 30's and younger struggle with this sin. Its hormones and stuff like that. There is A HUGE difference in going out and being sexually active and masturbating. A huge difference. Again just being real. Godbless.

Edited November 18, 2011 by Guest

[cmaD2006]

There is a book I'm going to recommend:

"The courage to be chaste by Fr. Benedict Groeschel."

It is a gem of a book -- has a number of good points and arguments that will help. And some clear suggestions for helping live a chaste life.

[Guest]

Okey dokey. Thanks and Godbless.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321588276' post='2337760']
I don't think there is nothen wrong with getting drunk as long as you are safe and mature about it. And tons of church militant people here feel the same way. [/quote]I think you are off base here