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[Guest]

[quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1321649700' post='2337992']

If THEY don't care, YOU need to care.

If SHE doesn't value herself, YOU should.

You need to rise up and be the better person, always. That's Christianity at the core.

What if someone was saying this stuff about your sister? Is that how you would respond? "Well, she's asking for it."

Give me a break.[/quote] and to add on this a tad more. I think she can care and can value herself yet still dress this way and not care about ME and other GUYS. So its not like every women who does this is some lost puppy who just doesn't care anymore. Its not that cut and dry. But I still see what you're saying and agree with you. Godbless !

[Totus Tuus]

Just chiming in here -- I have read that it's important to recognize porn as an addiction. I read, but don't know if it's true, that the chemical reaction that happens in a man's brain is stronger than the reaction that occurs when a person uses heroin, meaning that it's more addictive (and maybe this happens in a woman's brain too- because while I do not deny the problem that porn can be for women, I don't know if this particular fact is true for them since they're not wired as visually). Porn can't just be treated as a moral problem, but as an addiction that men and women literally need to affirm that they have and seek treatment of some sort.

[Guest]

And so its understood I respect women a ton. I really do and if you saw my actions the last year and a half with a beautiful married friend I have you would know I do respect women. She is going through a horrible time in her marriage and came to a point where she didn't care. But I did care like you said I should and therefore nothing happened that I would regrett. So ya. I'm not patting myself on the back but I am letting you guys know I do respect women. Alright Godbless.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1321648096' post='2337982']

There is no such thing as classy pics taken to exploit the human person. Whether or not they "know what they are getting into" is inconsequential of the fact that THESE ARE WOMEN ARE PERSONS THAT GOD CREATED AND ENDOWED WITH DIGNITY, WHICH SHOULD BE RESPECTED, WHETHER THEY ARE RESPECTING THEMSELVES OR NOT. And who are you to judge to whether they know what they are doing or not? I would bet that most of them have been told all of their lives that the way to get respect is to be a sex object. Or that being pretty is all they've got going for them. Or that that will make them happy. I doubt that they have a correct understanding of human sexuality at all.
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Haha, we said almost exactly the same thing. :D

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321648239' post='2337984']
Godbless bro you're a very wise man and I respect everything you say. I agree with what you are saying here somewhat. I don't think all the women who appear in sports illustrated are all nieve and don't understand. I bet most of the women are pretty classy and not whores or anything like that. Its just I think they really don't care. They don't care if I have a problem with masturbation and I'm going to lust aftwr them. Lol they want their money and there beautiful. Its the same way when women dress in a lustfull manner. They don't care. They can have tons of respect for themselves and love God and all that. They just don't care that guys struggle with lust.
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I didn't say they're naive or that they're whores. I said that they're very, very broken and abused by our hypersexualized society. Their concept of dignity is so shattered that they don't see how they're violating themselves and letting themselves be violated. It's a vicious, disgusting circle.
At the end of the day, no I don't think they truly do love and respect God or themselves. They may try; I'm sure many of them try their very best, and we should pray to God that it's enough, but so many of these women are so mutilated by the western culture of sexuality that they quite possibly don't even know the real meaning of respect and love any longer. They're victims of enormous abuse, and as we know these days, victims of abuse are often profoundly damaged by their suffering.
God help them, and us too.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321648239' post='2337984']
They just don't care that guys struggle with lust.
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Alright, let's stop this train right here. Women will never BE able to care until guys stop treating THEM like meat. 95% of the time I cannot even have a conversation with guys at my work because they are either checking out some other girl or staring at my chest. I get that this is not the case with every single guy. But for the majority, there is a huge problem. When I call them out on it, they just say "oh, but I'm just looking. they're beautiful. it doesn't hurt anyone." THAT IS A LOAD OF GARBAGE. It hurts everyone. So this whole thing is a problem for BOTH sexes. I refuse to let women take the blame. And I refuse to blame men (though it is hard as hell not to because let me tell you. sometimes if I think I just need to wear a burkah). It's a mutual thing. That means every person has to make an effort to stop treating other people in ways contrary to their inherent dignity. The whole "women need to dress modestly so men don't sin" or "women don't care about men" that is croutons. It is not true and it doesn't hold men accountable for THEIR own actions.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Totus Tuus' timestamp='1321651157' post='2338006']
Just chiming in here -- I have read that it's important to recognize porn as an addiction. I read, but don't know if it's true, that the chemical reaction that happens in a man's brain is stronger than the reaction that occurs when a person uses heroin, meaning that it's more addictive (and maybe this happens in a woman's brain too- because while I do not deny the problem that porn can be for women,[b] I don't know if this particular fact is true for them since they're not wired as visually[/b]). Porn can't just be treated as a moral problem, but as an addiction that men and women literally need to affirm that they have and seek treatment of some sort.
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i see this a lot and i'd like to have backup for this 'fact'....as I think more and more nowadays, young girls are JUST AS visually stimulated as guys are, because of what tv/magazines/videos are pushing in front of them at a young age.

what i bolded from your statement (not picking on you, but the attitude) is part of what keeps women, especially Christian women, in the cycle of porn addiction; "What's wrong with me? Only guys are supposed to be attracted to porn"...thereby leading to more shame, more hiding, more guilt.

[Guest]

[quote name='missionseeker' timestamp='1321651994' post='2338011']


Alright, let's stop this train right here. Women will never BE able to care until guys stop treating THEM like meat. 95% of the time I cannot even have a conversation with guys at my work because they are either checking out some other girl or staring at my chest. I get that this is not the case with every single guy. But for the majority, there is a huge problem. When I call them out on it, they just say "oh, but I'm just looking. they're beautiful. it doesn't hurt anyone." THAT IS A LOAD OF GARBAGE. It hurts everyone. So this whole thing is a problem for BOTH sexes. I refuse to let women take the blame. And I refuse to blame men (though it is hard as hell not to because let me tell you. sometimes if I think I just need to wear a burkah). It's a mutual thing. That means every person has to make an effort to stop treating other people in ways contrary to their inherent dignity. The whole "women need to dress modestly so men don't sin" or "women don't care about men" that is croutons. It is not true and it doesn't hold men accountable for THEIR own actions.[/quote] Ya I agree and respect what you are saying. And as big of a piece of croutons that I am io don't make comments like your coworkers or stare like that.

Edited November 18, 2011 by Guest

[missionseeker]

I'm not saying you do. I don't know you. Never seen you. But I'm just pointing out that the croutons has to stop on both sides.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321650276' post='2337999']
I'm just talking about the sports illustrated swimsuit edition. These are beautiful natural women. No breast implants or stuff like that. The pics are not that bad either. A lot of them are tastefull.
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you know what Lucifer means, right? An angel of light? Which means that he's going to make sinning seem as attractive as possible?

[Guest]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1321652492' post='2338019']
you know what Lucifer means, right? An angel of light? Which means that he's going to make sinning seem as attractive as possible?[/quote]I don't get what you mean here ?

[Nihil Obstat]

When the chips are down, and you are dead and standing in front of Christ sitting in judgement before you, the question won't be whether or not you were better than the person beside you. He might have been an absolutely reprehensible human being, but it doesn't matter. You don't have to be better than him. It's a frightening fallacy to think that we need to be 'just good enough' to be saved. There's no scoreboard or tally sheet.
We need to do [i]everything[/i] we have been called to do, to the very best of our abilities. We can't do most things pretty well and give ourselves a mulligan for our one or two pet sins.
It's the hardest thing in the world... but at the same time it's also the easiest. The hard part is rejecting Satan's (empty) promises, but it's pretty easy in retrospect when all you need to do is accept the true, perfect promises of Christ. Abandon yourself to His will, not the will of the world.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1321652650' post='2338021']I don't get what you mean here ?[/quote]
i'm talking about your statement of "The pics are not that bad either. A lot of them are tastefull." Just because the pics are 'tasteful' doesn't mean the women aren't being objectified and ogled by people who view them. i.e. Satan has made it seem 'normal' to objectify these women because the pics "aren't that bad."

[Guest]

Ok gotcha. Ya you are right about that and its a good point.

[MissyP89]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1321652718' post='2338023']
When the chips are down, and you are dead and standing in front of Christ sitting in judgement before you, the question won't be whether or not you were better than the person beside you. He might have been an absolutely reprehensible human being, but it doesn't matter. You don't have to be better than him. It's a frightening fallacy to think that we need to be 'just good enough' to be saved. There's no scoreboard or tally sheet.
We need to do [i]everything[/i] we have been called to do, to the very best of our abilities. We can't do most things pretty well and give ourselves a mulligan for our one or two pet sins.
It's the hardest thing in the world... but at the same time it's also the easiest. The hard part is rejecting Satan's (empty) promises, but it's pretty easy in retrospect when all you need to do is accept the true, perfect promises of Christ. Abandon yourself to His will, not the will of the world.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. When God calls, it's all or nothing. Yes, Jesus died to earn us salvation, but we've got to hold up our end of the deal. This means giving over our [i]entire [/i]lives.

Good having you back, kid. <3

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='MissyP89' timestamp='1321657034' post='2338045']

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Good having you back, kid. <3
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We'll see how much I post. ^_^ Good to see you around though.

[MissyP89]

Spam my thread with gifs! It's not sparkly enough.

[Nihil Obstat]

Do you like ponies?

[MissyP89]

I'm never sure how to answer questions like that with you, because there's no telling what sort of ridiculousness you'll post if I say yes.

[Totus Tuus]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1321652240' post='2338014']

i see this a lot and i'd like to have backup for this 'fact'....as I think more and more nowadays, young girls are JUST AS visually stimulated as guys are, because of what tv/magazines/videos are pushing in front of them at a young age.

what i bolded from your statement (not picking on you, but the attitude) is part of what keeps women, especially Christian women, in the cycle of porn addiction; "What's wrong with me? Only guys are supposed to be attracted to porn"...thereby leading to more shame, more hiding, more guilt.
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I was so clear in the fact that I was making a supposition, not stating a fact, though. I am pretty sure (but I'll try to find evidence) that it's biologically factual that mens' brains are more visually stimulated than womens'. I know from your previous posts that you're very defensive about the issue of women and porn, which is why I made the caveat in the first place. I thought that most people were in agreement that the reason why porn was addicting for women was different from why it was addicting for men. I never denied that it was equally addicting... just that it APPEARS (note my reservations!) to be addictive in a different way. (Part of the defense for my statement, by the way, is that although porn is addicting to women it is FAR more addicting for men. At the very least, men are in the majority. I'm not a pro at reviewing porn stats, obviously, but this site [url="http://internet-fiddler-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html"]http://internet-fiddler-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography-statistics.html[/url] has what appears to be a credible breakdown of porn statistics and it states that of the 40 million adult porn addicts in the US, 72% are male, and 28% are female. And that's the only site I looked at -- I didn't go fishing around for the highest discrepancy I could find.)

Edited November 18, 2011 by Totus Tuus

[Socrates]

All of us are sinners, and avoiding sin is impossible without God's grace.

No one said it would be easy, but with the help of God's grace we must try our hardest to avoid sin.