Trayvon Martin

[Guest]

He's showing off some gold teeth in a wife beater. So what ? This changes nothing.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332679948' post='2407819']
Ya they got in a fight dumbarse and Trayvon was beating his arse after Zimmerman followed him and instigated a fight. Then Zimmerman like the scum coward he is murdered a 17 year old boy
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Is there anything about you that doesn't base your opinion on loose speculation? Probably not...

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332681783' post='2407836']
Ya its taking things to far. But that's why Zimmerman needs to be taken into custody and this has got to at least see a trial and a jury.
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So lets set the rule of law aside and just go on the emotions of people who think that he needs to be put in prison?

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1332682437' post='2407843']Thank god prayers were answered, the New Black Panthers have announced they are paying $10,000 reward for the capture of Zimmerman. They will be visiting Jacksonville and Maitland locations of Zimmermons employer. "If the government won't do the job, we'll do it." stated NBP leader Mikkad Muhammad in Sanford on Saturday.[/quote] What a great organization right? This wouldn't happen to be the same New Black Panther Party that threatened violence against people at a voting booth is it? Oh of course it is... what a bunch of boy scouts.

[kujo]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332682999' post='2407848']
He's showing off some gold teeth in a wife beater. So what ? This changes nothing.
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Oh I agree. But I do find it interesting that there see[color=#333333]ms to be a concerted effort to whitewash black people whenever so[/color][color=#333333]mething like this happens. It's like reverse racis[/color][color=#333333]m--they're trying to [/color][color=#333333]make white people say "Hey, he's just like [/color][color=#333333]me!" [/color]

[kujo]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1332682876' post='2407847']
I'm saddened and frightened you asked.

Direct quote from Tampa BayTimes on the Bounty. After that it's my own bitter satire.
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You [color=#333333]might want to think of adding brackets or quotation [/color][color=#333333]marks around what's not yours, so that others can tell...[/color]

[Guest]

Thou shall not murder.

[kujo]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332683330' post='2407854']
Thou shall not murder.
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Luckily, the penal code in this and other countries has advanced and garnered [color=#333333]more specificity so as to atte[/color][color=#333333]mpt to capture the nuance of life. In this case, it will be a woeful failure, but hopefully it will serve as a rallying cry to close this absurd loophole.[/color]

[Guest]

Kujo no he's not just like me. He pry had it a lot worse. Pry had to deal with racism. Pry has relatives in his family who were slaves and couldn't vote. He was murdered by some lunatic who profiled him cause he's a 6'3 black dude in a hoodie. No he's not just like me. But God created him and loves him just as much as me. He's equal. He deserves justice.

Edited March 25, 2012 by Guest

[kujo]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332683577' post='2407857']
Kujo no he's not just like me. He pry had it a lot worse. Pry had to deal with racism. Pry has relatives in his family who were slaves and couldn't vote. He was murdered by some lunatic who profiled him cause he's a 6'3 black dude in a hoddie. No he's not just like me. But God created him and loves him just as much as me. He's equal. He deserves justice.
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A[color=#333333]men.[/color]
[color=#333333]So why aren't they showing pictures like this?[/color]

[Guest]

Cause then all the stereo type people can just write him off as some thug and that he deserved it.

Edited March 25, 2012 by Guest

[Adrestia]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1332682582' post='2407845']
I'[color=#282828]m assu[/color][color=#282828]ming there's a satirical ele[/color][color=#282828]ment in this post....right?[/color]
[/quote]You must not read much from Anomaly. The posts rarely contain serious content.

[kujo]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332683789' post='2407861']
Cause then all the stereo type people can just write him off as some thug and that he deserved it.
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But I thought this was one of those "teachable moments" where we are supposed to show that being black, and "looking black" doesn't mean you're a criminal?

(I'm just trying to point out the double standard here)

[Adrestia]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1332683221' post='2407851']
Oh I agree. But I do find it interesting that there see[color=#333333]ms to be a concerted effort to whitewash black people whenever so[/color][color=#333333]mething like this happens. It's like reverse racis[/color][color=#333333]m--they're trying to [/color][color=#333333]make white people say "Hey, he's just like [/color][color=#333333]me!" [/color]
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I continue to be stunned that I'm reading things like this. This type of b.s. belongs in history books, it should be under the section entitled, "Dumb things peple used to say before they realized that race is a learned social construct that should not be used to judge people."

[Guest]

Kujo I don't remember any one saying it was a teachable moment. I don't know how it could be. No one ever wants to learn. The facts is a 17 year old unarmed kid was shot and murdered. By a man who a 911 operator told not to continue to follow. Yet he did. Then he ended up killing this kid. If the media is just trying to start racial wars then floppy them and they can go to hell. But I'm not also in the camp that there aren't racist cops and racist killers like Zimmerman out there. And I have a big place in my heart for black people because of what they have been through in the not to distant past. And what I see here is a 17 year old unarmed kid who is murdered and his parents are devestated and the killer is free to go. That's not right.

Edited March 25, 2012 by Guest

[kujo]

[quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1332684114' post='2407865']
I continue to be stunned that I'm reading things like this. This type of b.s. belongs in history books, it should be under the section entitled, "Dumb things peple used to say before they realized that race is a learned social construct that should not be used to judge people."
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Oooo....you can use big smart people words! Can you teach me how to talk smart like you!??!?!?!

(If you don't have something valuable to add to the conversation, go away. I was making a point about media hypocrisy and how certain elements of culture get emphasized or hidden whenever a situation arises that appeals to, or against, the preconceived notions of the elite. Yes, race and culture are social constructs. So are words and language...but that's not what we're talking about here. You don't get to pull the "true nature of things" card whenever this is clearly being manipulated by guys like Al Sharpton to be a white v.s. black thing, despite the fact that Zimmerman was of mixed race)

[Adrestia]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1332682307' post='2407841']
When did I say that? And more importantly, when did my brother say that?

There's nothing wrong with pointing out flaws in the system. But allowing yourself and your identity to become fixated on the disrespect others give you is not living the sort of freedom that the civil rights leaders fought so valiantly for.
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These are your words:
[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1332650671' post='2407727']
It smells of elderberries, but there really isn't anything that anyone can do to change that.
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I expected better from you.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332683330' post='2407854']
Thou shall not murder.
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[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332583992' post='2406972']
There's plenty of evidence this half white half mexican scum followed Trayvon for no reason. He told the cops it looks like he's up to no good and on drugs. The cops told him not to follow him. He did not listen. Trayvon weighed 140 pounds. This fat scum weighed 240 pounds. I cannot stand cops who are on power trips. I cannot stand even more wanna be cops who are on a power trip. It blows my mind that some people think this scum deserves to be walking around free. What if it was your kid ? This guy will get what he deserves though. Hopefully he repents before he gets what's coming to him.
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It's not murder if you believe they deserve it and got it coming.

My brother-in-law was beaten by 3 neighborhood watch Zimmerman wannabes while posting a permit for a pool screen company. Severly broke his leg and put him in the hospital and out of work for months. My brother was charged initially because it was three stories against one. In the 35+ years I've known my BIL (before I met his sister), even back in the day when I was hustliing in the street, I've never known him to start a fight, much less against 3 guys.

He was a stranger in a gated community, just as white as the guys who beat him. Their insurance ended up paying for his lost wages, hospital bills, lawyer, and a new car. Too bad he isn't black and could get the NBP to do what the government won't do.

Or maybe, it isn't a race thing. Maybe it's a flawed law? Maybe the Sanford police weren't racist, they were just lazy and thought Zimmerman was perfectly within the legal bounds of the law? Maybe Zimmerman wasn't racist, just paranoid, xenophobic (afraid of strangers), and/or acting out desires of being in-charge, doing what the government won't do.

Nah. Zimmerman's half white. He can't help but be racist. He's too mexican to be paranoid or xenophobic. The Police Chief of Sanford is too white to be lazy or misinformed of the law. It's being explained to us in the news and on the itternets.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1332684447' post='2407868']
Oooo....you can use big smart people words! Can you teach me how to talk smart like you!??!?!?!

(If you don't have something valuable to add to the conversation, go away. I was making a point about media hypocrisy and how certain elements of culture get emphasized or hidden whenever a situation arises that appeals to, or against, the preconceived notions of the elite. Yes, race and culture are social constructs. So are words and language...but that's not what we're talking about here. You don't get to pull the "true nature of things" card whenever this is clearly being manipulated by guys like Al Sharpton to be a white v.s. black thing, despite the fact that Zimmerman was of mixed race)
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I don't care if you don't find value in my thoughts, you don't get to decide what I say. It's crazy for anyone to say that race should never be mentioned because racism doesn't exist unless there is already explicit proof. Your own words about your brothers experience clearly show that you believe racism still exists, but that no one can do anything about it. Trayvon's race may not have played into Zimmerman's actions, but the response by the police is what's at question. Does anyone here believe that Zimmerman would have walked if he were Black and the kid was white?

[kujo]

[quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1332684590' post='2407870']
These are your words:

I expected better from you.
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The point I was making was that there will never be a day where racism, bigotry and prejudice doesn't exist. It just won't happen. We can work towards a more perfect society, but it's never going to be totally perfect.

And by the way, that goes for black people too. Let's not pretend that there aren't THOUSANDS of racially-motivated crimes each year perpetrated by African Americans towards white, Latino and Asian people. And how many times have you turned on the TV and seen a black or Latino comedian doing his or her "white people voice," to catcalls and great applause? How do you think that would go over if it were a white person doing the same thing towards other minorities?

Until you eradicate heuristics and analogies, people will always have preconceived notions about other people, places, things and events.

[Guest]

Kujo you fail to forget what white people have put black people through in this country. That matters my friend. That matters.

[kujo]

[quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1332684896' post='2407872']
It's crazy for anyone to say that race should never be mentioned because racism doesn't exist unless there is already explicit proof.[/quote]

A) I never said that

B) Just because a white person killed a black person doesn't mean it's a hate crime. Unless there is explicit proof that Zimmerman is racist, it's idiotic and unfair to believe otherwise

[quote]Does anyone here believe that Zimmerman would have walked if he were Black and the kid was white?
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The more apt question is would anyone here care if Trayvon had a criminal history of some sort? Would we have ever heard about this story? No, because it doesn't have the necessary "juiciness." It would still have been an example of the always-evil racial profiling, but if Zimmerman's fears had been well-founded, we would never have heard jack spit!