Trayvon Martin

[Guest]

Kujo this is real life. The panthers want him dead or alive. If he didn't murder this kid he needs to get the facts out there asap. Like I said I'm quick to forgive just like God is quick to forgive me. From what I've seen so far this man is guilty of murder and that is why people of all races and from all walks of life are outraged. If its not the case some one needs to speak up. If it is the case he needs to say sorry. A sincere sorry will cut it with me but of course it won't with a lot of people. Such is life.

Edited March 25, 2012 by Guest

[kujo]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332688741' post='2407946']
Kujo this is real life. The panthers want him dead or alive. If he didn't murder this kid he needs to get the facts out there asap. Like I said I'm quick to forgive just like God is quick to forgive me. From what I've seen so far this man is guilty of murder and that is why people of all races and from all walks of life are outraged. If its not the case some one needs to speak up. If it is the case he needs to say sorry. A sincere sorry will cut it with me but of course it won't with a lot of people. Such is life.
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Cases are not tried in the court of public opinion, or on news talk shows. His defense is surely preparing for the now-inevitable trial that will decide his fate. The actions of whackjobs like the NBP are reprehensible and do nothing but inject more hate into an already volatile situation.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332688741' post='2407946']
Kujo this is real life. The panthers want him dead or alive. If he didn't murder this kid he needs to get the facts out there asap. Like I said I'm quick to forgive just like God is quick to forgive me. From what I've seen so far this man is guilty of murder and that is why people of all races and from all walks of life are outraged. If its not the case some one needs to speak up. If it is the case he needs to say sorry. A sincere sorry will cut it with me but of course it won't with a lot of people. Such is life.
[/quote]
Yes this is real life and its tragic to see what is happening when a case is tried by people in the media who are advancing their own agendas instead of the actual truth. If the panthers murder him I hope they get the death penalty, because that is exactly what the Klan did to black people. An eye for an eye means EVERYONE becomes blind.

[Guest]

Again Kujo this is real life. A kid is dead. Zimmerman isn't being judged on wether he hit his wife or she hit him first. He's being judged on the fact an unarmed kid is left dead. And the details that have come out look as if its Zimmermans fault. Again if this isn't the case some people need to get details out that defend him. So far I haven't seen much of that and I look in all places.

Edited March 25, 2012 by Guest

[Guest]

You wanna be a "Cop" when you're not and tote guns and kill kids you better hope you got all your steps covered and you made no mistakes and made perfect judgement. And even then it might not be good enough.

[kujo]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332689497' post='2407961']
Again Kujo this is real life. A kid is dead. Zimmerman isn't being judged on wether he hit his wife or she hit him first. He's being judged on the fact an unarmed kid is left dead. And the details that have come out look as if its Zimmermans fault. Again if this isn't the case some people need to get details out that defend him. So far I haven't seen much of that and I look in all places.
[/quote]

Cmom said it better than I could:

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1332689371' post='2407955']
Yes this is real life and its tragic to see what is happening when a case is tried by people in the media who are advancing their own agendas instead of the actual truth. If the panthers murder him I hope they get the death penalty, because that is exactly what the Klan did to black people. An eye for an eye means EVERYONE becomes blind.
[/quote]

Edited March 25, 2012 by kujo

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332689497' post='2407961']
Again Kujo this is real life. A kid is dead. Zimmerman isn't being judged on wether he hit his wife or she hit him first. He's being judged on the fact an unarmed kid is left dead. And the details that have come out look as if its Zimmermans fault. Again if this isn't the case some people need to get details out that defend him. So far I haven't seen much of that and I look in all places.
[/quote]In the US, trials are not meant to be the court of public opinion, parasprite

[Jesus_lol]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion[/url]

[Guest]

You can call me a parasprite all you want. I HATE you as much as you hate me. Yes I know that makes me guilty of murder acccording to the Lord. So I will confess in confession.

Edited March 25, 2012 by Guest

[kujo]

I thought he was just offering you one of his Sprites...

[img]http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/2826/6a00e39332d009883401157.jpg[/img]

[Guest]

Whatever jesuslol.

[Anomaly]

Never said I hate you. Strongly disagree with your posts that advocate the public giving Zimmerman his "due" while spouting Christian platitudes. I hate the fact you hate me because I think the bigger problem is the SYG law and the legal system and I think your immature emotional postings add to society's problems and deters legitimate attention away from logical and thoughtful consideration of current laws, how they are applied, and what are their consequence.

But im not a Christian, so I don't have divine approval or forgiveness for my attempts at reason and logic.

[Norseman82]

Wow, 5 pages added this morning. Did youse all forget to go to Mass or did youse go last night?

[quote name='RezaMikhaeil' timestamp='1332645278' post='2407573']
You're completely incorrect. Advice or orders given through a 911 operator are considered recommendations under the law.
[/quote]

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1332680205' post='2407820']
It isn't a matter of who instigated the fight; once the fight was occurring, Zimmerman (and Trayvon) had the right to defend himself from the possibility of death. That's where the murkiness of this law is, in my opinion; it make ZERO provisions about not provoking a confrontation, instead seemingly offering blanket protection to anyone in any situation. [/quote]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1332687216' post='2407913']
or was attacked by someone and they struggled over a gun it would not be murder. [/quote]

This is something that will be hashed out among the "legal eagles". The question is whether or not there is relevant case law in this type of situation (which is what often will be called upon when a law is murky). If this is new ground, then that could cause new case law clarifying how the law applies when the shooter is the instigator or was told not to pursue. Or, it could cause lesser charges to be filed (such as involuntary manslaughter vs. a degree of murder). Or, a prosecutor could "gamble in court" and try to debunk the self-defense claims if Zimmerman takes the stand and hopes the jury will believe the prosecution, or even try to convince the judge to not allow a self-defense claim.

Edited March 25, 2012 by Norseman82

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332688135' post='2407937']
Even if Zimmerman doesn't go to jail he's got blood on his hands and is a murderer in my mind. Until he can proove otherwise.
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Which means that even if he is charged and acquitted (or not charged at all), there may be a civil "wrongful death" lawsuit (think OJ Simpson) where the standards of proof are lower (preponderance of the evidence vs. beyond a reasonable doubt), and in such a case the fact that the 911 operator told Zimmerman to not pursue could certainly be a factor.

Edited March 25, 2012 by Norseman82

[Norseman82]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1332689371' post='2407955']
Yes this is real life and its tragic to see what is happening when a case is tried by people in the media who are advancing their own agendas instead of the actual truth. If the panthers murder him I hope they get the death penalty, because that is exactly what the Klan did to black people. An eye for an eye means EVERYONE becomes blind.
[/quote]

My thoughts and fears is that this is 1992, Rodney King, and the LA riots all over again.

[Guest]

Anamoly I'm sorry I hate you right now. Its wrong of me. I don't know you.

[Guest]

This is a little different then Rodney King. Rodney King "asked" to get beat up by those cops. Trayvon didn't ask to be murdered by Zimmerman then have the police cover it up and call it self defence.

Edited March 25, 2012 by Guest

[Anomaly]

Apology accepted, db. Water under the bridge.

It's hard to know yourself, much less strangers on the Internet or in the news.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1332686380' post='2407899']
The police have a witness who states that Zimmerman was on the ground screaming and that the victim was on top of him beating him.
[/quote] I was unaware of this, thanks for sharing. So combine this with the fact that the police said when they arrived he was covered in blood, clothes soaked from water and his back was covered in glass. I'd say that there is definately evidence of a struggle.

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332686566' post='2407902']
Ok Cmother so say Zimmerman started the fight after he followed Martin. He's losing the fight. That gives him the right to pull out his gun and kill Trayvon?[/quote] Well following someone in your automobile or on foot is not "starting a fight". My mother has followed someone who was behaving suspicious before and she prevented a crime as a result by getting his physical description and license plate. If the man would have attacked her, does that make her the one who started the fight because she followed him against the will of the 9-11 dispatcher? How about if he was in the act of the crime and she got physically involved? Your logic is illogical.

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332687688' post='2407928']
Although its possible they could of fought for the gun and it went off. I think a more likely explanation is Zimmerman fired the gun when he was getting beat up by Martin.[/quote] More likely based upon what? You knowing nothing about the situation and not having the facts straight? That's what I thought... You have taken sides and tried to make this about race without evidence, which almost makes you sound like a bigot.

[quote]So if Zimmerman started the fight and then was losing and fired the gun this wouldn't be murder to you if Trayvon was your son?[/quote] You have zero evidence that this is what happened.

[quote]Even after a 911 operator told Zimmerman not to follow Martin?[/quote] This is not legally binding, it's considered a recommendation in a court of law.

[quote]Even after you found out Zimmerman was arrested for assulting an officer in 2005?[/quote] In a court of law past crimes cannot be considered unless directly connected. In this case it's not directly connected so it is irrelevant.

[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1332688437' post='2407943']
Well, even if I [i]was[/i] licensed to practice law in the State of Florida, since I am not counsel for either the defendant or the state, it would still only be my opinion. But due to my studies and life experience, I happen to believe that my opinion is a bit more informed than some of the ones I hear being expressed on here, in the news and amongst my peers and coworkers.[/quote]

Even if you were, it still would be an opinion because that is what is argued over in court. One opinion of the law and what happened vs another. Prosecution VS Defendant.

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332688741' post='2407946']
Kujo this is real life. The panthers want him dead or alive. If he didn't murder this kid he needs to get the facts out there asap. Like I said I'm quick to forgive just like God is quick to forgive me. From what I've seen so far this man is guilty of murder and that is why people of all races and from all walks of life are outraged. If its not the case some one needs to speak up. If it is the case he needs to say sorry. A sincere sorry will cut it with me but of course it won't with a lot of people. Such is life.[/quote]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1332689371' post='2407955']
Yes this is real life and its tragic to see what is happening when a case is tried by people in the media who are advancing their own agendas instead of the actual truth. If the panthers murder him I hope they get the death penalty, because that is exactly what the Klan did to black people. An eye for an eye means EVERYONE becomes blind.[/quote]

This is not surprising. This is the same black panther party that prevented people from voting under physical threat, for which the Obama administration refused to prosecute. This is also the same black panther party that "demanded justice", when three duke lacross players were accused of raping a black woman. After it was revealed that she lied beyond the shadow of a doubt, they continued their assault against the Lacross players. Here is Michelle Malkin debating their leader, in which he says racist statements against her too: [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihAY2Ti2O2Y"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihAY2Ti2O2Y[/url]

Now tell me delivery boy, why do you uphold the New Black Panthers as some great moral people, delivering justice. When they stand for the complete opposite? They are perhaps the most racist organization in the entire united states.

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1332690278' post='2407972']
In the US, trials are not meant to be the court of public opinion, parasprite[/quote]

Exactly

[Guest]

Thanks for accepting. I was wrong. Look man I got a big place in my heart for black people. I love them a lot man. It really looks like some shady stuff is going on here. My heart hurts for this kid and his family. That's the sincere truth. I've read a lot and from what I've read it doesn't look good for Zimmerman. I don't wish death on him though. And if I said that earlier I appologise. I realy don't. Trayvon and his family deserve justice though and I hope they get it.