Trayvon Martin

[Guest]

O and before I hear the " george had a broken nose" whatever. No ems was even called. I doubt a broken nose and I don't deny a cut on the back of the head. He got off a lot easier then a bullet to the chest. And why in the world was this man not tested for alcohol or drugs. How did that not happen. Would not suprise me if george would of blew postive for alcohol and that's why he refused ems.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Mercy me' timestamp='1332736444' post='2408585']
The point of neighborhood watch is to increase awareness of the goings on in a neighborhood and to report unusual situations to the police. If you are involved in neighborhood watch you are not given police powers. The duty is to report and then let the police use the information as they see fit.[/quote] That is not true. If you see a crime going down, you do have a right to follow the suspect. You don't have to but you do have a right to do so.

[quote]If I we being followed through my neighborhood, I would likely run. But I am not beyond confronting people especially if there are witnesses. Following someone is in my opinion an act of aggression. I might be a little biased in this opinion by the fact that I am female.[/quote] You might run but it's highly unlikely that you would attack the person who followed you once they got out of their automobile. As for following someone, that is not an act of aggression according to the law, or the logic behind it. It's still self defense if you are following someone believing that they might be armed and break into someone's house. Particularly if you believe that the police won't be able to prevent the crime from happening.

[quote]" ZIMMERMAN HAS NO PROTECTION UNER THE STAND YOUR GROUND LAW IN MY STATE." - Flordia Senator Durell Peaden[/quote] As far as what the senator said, of course he is going to say this...afterall he authored the bill that was passed into law after being warned about it's unintended consequences by the Miami police chief. The only concern that he has is reelection and not being liked to the death of this teenager.

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332748768' post='2408616']
Zimmerman became the aggressor once he got out and gave chase after the operator told him not to.[/quote] You are completely incorrect here. What the 9-11 operator told him is considered a recommendation according to the law, not a legally binding order.

[quote]On top of that being the " watch captian" he was not suppossed to have a gun. Doesn't matter if he had a permit or not.[/quote] You are completely incorrect. Being a neighborhood watch captain does not suspend one's second amendment rights, nor their right to possess a concealed weapon, give the fact that they have the proper permit.

[quote]On top of that in 2005 he was arrested for assulting an officer. He also had complaints of domestic violence. He will not stand a chanch in court.[/quote] You are incorrect, past crimes are not allowed to be used as evidence unless they are directly linked. In this case it is not so therefore the Jury would never hear of his past crimes because they are irrelevant in the case and the judge wouldn't allow such testimony to take place.

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332749920' post='2408619']
O and before I hear the " george had a broken nose" whatever. No ems was even called. I doubt a broken nose and I don't deny a cut on the back of the head. He got off a lot easier then a bullet to the chest. And why in the world was this man not tested for alcohol or drugs. How did that not happen. Would not suprise me if george would of blew postive for alcohol and that's why he refused ems.
[/quote] Well the evidence says that he did have a broken nose and that he did have a cut on the back of the head. Once again you're relying upon your own conspiracy theory that you've put together in your head, ever the rational evidence presented to the public. Why don't you calm your teenage hormones down for a second and think like an adult?

[Guest]

You reply to Mercy Me if you see a crime going down you can follow. PLEASE REMIND ME WHAT CRIME SAINT TRAYVON WAS COMMITING???? And yes I call him saint cause I don't imagine he's in purgatory right now. Although some here might argue he's in hell.

[Guest]

I'm gonna keep it 100 real quick...George liked black people but he didn't like.......as a white male I won't fill in the blank. Although I have been called it by black friends many times and I've used it many times. Although now as an adult the word doesn't come out of my mouth.........The problem is when you start lableing every person who dresses hiphop and is absorbed in that culture as the same you are becoming racist. You can not like or even hate certain aspects of the culture. But once you start lableing everybody who looks that description as the same in a negative light that's when you're wrong. That's when it can become hate.

Edited March 26, 2012 by Guest

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332755428' post='2408623']
You reply to Mercy Me if you see a crime going down you can follow. PLEASE REMIND ME WHAT CRIME SAINT TRAYVON WAS COMMITING???? And yes I call him saint cause I don't imagine he's in purgatory right now. Although some here might argue he's in hell.[/quote]

It's not just if you see a crime goin down, that is not how the law is written. If you think that potentially a crime is goinig to happen, you also have a right to follow the suspect. What crime did Trayvon commit? Well if the police report is correct, he obviously was physically violent with Zimmerman. Now you can say that is false all you want but you have no evidence to support your claim so once again you are just an adolescent boy that run by his hormones and emotions. When you grow up and join the real world, you'll notice that in order for someone to be arrested and charged, we need this little special thing called evidence. Nearly all of your claims, if not all of them, have zero evidence but are emotional arguments based upon nothing more then Trayvon was black. That's nothing more then speculative racism...at it's finest of course.

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332758029' post='2408627']I'm gonna keep it 100 real quick...George liked black people but he didn't like.......as a white male I won't fill in the blank.[/quote] As I have mentioned before, you have absolutely zero evidence of this claim. As a matter of fact, George Zimmerman has black people that have vouched that he is not a racist and as far as we are aware according to the evidence he has never used that term that you were hinting at. Therefore that makes you the racist.

[quote]Although I have been called it by black friends many times and I've used it many times. Although now as an adult the word doesn't come out of my mouth...[/quote] Maybe you're confusing George Zimmerman with your own background and thoughts.

[quote]The problem is when you start lableing every person who dresses hiphop and is absorbed in that culture as the same you are becoming racist.[/quote] First, you don't know what George Zimmerman labeled him anything outside of a general description of being suspicious, which is what the 9-11 tapes reveal. For all you know he fit the description of another burgler that had robbed his neighbors. If that is the case and it's likely it was, then there is nothing prejudice about it.

[quote]You can not like or even hate certain aspects of the culture. But once you start lableing everybody who looks that description as the same in a negative light that's when you're wrong. That's when it can become hate.[/quote] So in that very moment one becomes racist huh?

[Winchester]

Reza, you can't win. DB can judge the hearts of others. He's psychic. Duh.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1332762883' post='2408644']
Reza, you can't win. DB can judge the hearts of others. He's psychic. Duh.
[/quote]I wish you had let me know this 4 pages ago. I thought he was a basic human with human limits to surity of knowledge, open to reason. Divine assurance can kick humility's butt, every time.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1332764243' post='2408658']
I wish you had let me know this 4 pages ago. I thought he was a basic human with human limits to surity of knowledge, open to reason. Divine assurance can kick humility's butt, every time.
[/quote]
I don't feel the need to warn you, as your capacity for absurdity renders you nigh invulnerable. Reza is overly earnest, and will argue with DB in an unending attempt to win him over.


And I noticed the omniscience only this morning.

Edited March 26, 2012 by Winchester

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332755428' post='2408623']
You reply to Mercy Me if you see a crime going down you can follow. PLEASE REMIND ME WHAT CRIME SAINT TRAYVON WAS COMMITING???? And yes I call him saint cause I don't imagine he's in purgatory right now. Although some here might argue he's in hell.
[/quote]

Oh come on. Now you're sounding like CatholicinSD.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332755428' post='2408623']
You reply to Mercy Me if you see a crime going down you can follow. PLEASE REMIND ME WHAT CRIME SAINT TRAYVON WAS COMMITING???? And yes I call him saint cause I don't imagine he's in purgatory right now. Although some here might argue he's in hell.
[/quote]

O come on DB, this is ridiculous. Seriously.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1332769570' post='2408675']


Oh come on. Now you're sounding like CatholicinSD.
[/quote]
I don't think anything is wrong with trusting the infinite mercy of God.

[Winchester]

Needs moar text-formatting.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332758029' post='2408627']
I'm gonna keep it 100 real quick...George liked black people but he didn't like.......as a white male I won't fill in the blank. Although I have been called it by black friends many times and I've used it many times. Although now as an adult the word doesn't come out of my mouth.........The problem is when you start lableing every person who dresses hiphop and is absorbed in that culture as the same you are becoming racist. You can not like or even hate certain aspects of the culture. But once you start lableing everybody who looks that description as the same in a negative light that's when you're wrong. That's when it can become hate.
[/quote]

DB, your emotions are getting the best of you. Some people here are pushing your buttons for fun. Don't let them get to you. Take a deep breath & ask the Holy Spirit for guidance before replying to posts. Sometimes it's okay to let things go. Trust God.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1332770115' post='2408682']
I don't think anything is wrong with trusting the infinite mercy of God.
[/quote]
Well, as we know pretty much nothing about this guy's spiritual state, and are going based soley on the fact that he was shot, it sounds like DB is trying to make a martyr out of him-- which is pretty much what CinSD always did about people in the news. My HOPE is that we ALL achieve heaven. But being in the wrong place at the wrong time does not make it so.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Adrestia' timestamp='1332770511' post='2408686']
DB, your emotions are getting the best of you. Some people here are pushing your buttons for fun. Don't let them get to you. Take a deep breath & ask the Holy Spirit for guidance before replying to posts. Sometimes it's okay to let things go. Trust God.
[/quote]

And you are qualified to know posters motivations how?

[Era Might]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1332543890' post='2406634']
Sorry about your luck, buy despite you grabbing the opportunity to flaunt your bias against people of a different race and higher income bracket

it wasn't that upscale. Mid to low middle class complex that was racially diverse. Zimmerman was Hispanic. Trayvons dad lived there. Interviews w other residents was mostly "minorities". It was clean and kept up. Gated communities have become popular and common here because people want to feel safe and comfortable in their neighborhood. Did you miss the part about the neighborhood watch they started because of frequent burglaries? It's one thing of being tolerant of sketchy 'hood when poor and single. It's another when you're trying to provide a safe environment for your family.
[/quote]
What "people of a different race" are you referring to? I didn't mention anyone's race in my post.

Interestingly, when I first saw this story on the news and saw the picture of Zimmerman, he looked Spanish to me, and I thought he's lucky...it'll save him from a firestorm. Guess I was wrong.

This story is not, for me, about race (although I don't dismiss other people's racial concerns...let's face it, this country has a long messed up history with race). This story is about the fear in America. It's a sign of the times. I'm not surprised that a young man was shot in this neighborhood...at least here in South Florida, any time I'm in a well off neighborhood, the security signs are everywhere. These people live in fear.

As far as "providing a safe environment for your family," that's overblown. Poor kids, they're used as justification for everything adults do. We should have a national Night in America and everyone should watch "A Nightmare on Elm Street."

I agree people want to feel safe and comfortable. So they built gates to keep out Grendel and Freddy Krueger and Osama Bin Laden.

Fear is not limited to white people, or even to well off people. Spanish people and black people have long killed eachother through various gangs and turf wars. People in Latin America live in perpetual fear because of gangs that are not as well pushed off to the margins as they are in the United States. The middle class in Latin America is trying to become what America is, and to do so they have to create their own gated communities, and push the dregs to the margins. America is just more industrialized and able to create massive prisons to do it more effectively.

People in our society are afraid to die. Hence their obsessions with the second amendment, with assuring they live forever through healthcare, with their submission to perpetual militarization. It's useful to have kids...that gives us a good reason to live in fear.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I don't really have the strength to argue this story. Everyone has an opinion.

[quote]Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down.' I could say 'Elves' to him,
But it's not elves exactly, and I'd rather
He said it for himself. I see him there
Bringing a stone grasped firmly by the top
In each hand, like an old-stone savage armed.
He moves in darkness as it seems to me~
Not of woods only and the shade of trees.
He will not go behind his father's saying,
And he likes having thought of it so well
He says again, "Good fences make good neighbors."

--Robert Frost, "Mending Wall"[/quote]

Edited March 26, 2012 by Era Might

[Norseman82]

[quote name='RezaMikhaeil' timestamp='1332751740' post='2408620']
You are completely incorrect here. What the 9-11 operator told him is considered a recommendation according to the law, not a legally binding order.
[/quote]

OK, I have to call you out on this one. You make this claim over and over again. Are you an attorney? Please cite the relevant case law, because I always was under the impression that disobeying a police officer could get you arrested.

[kujo]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1332801552' post='2408891']
OK, I have to call you out on this one. You make this claim over and over again. Are you an attorney? Please cite the relevant case law, because I always was under the impression that disobeying a police officer could get you arrested.
[/quote]

9-1-1 operators are not police officers.

That's a fact. No caselaw necessary.

[Winchester]

And there was no order. Do read the available transcripts.

[4588686]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1332755428' post='2408623']
You reply to Mercy Me if you see a crime going down you can follow. PLEASE REMIND ME WHAT CRIME SAINT TRAYVON WAS COMMITING???? And yes I call him saint cause I don't imagine he's in purgatory right now. Although some here might argue he's in hell.
[/quote]

He wasn't a Saint. He was a teenager. I'm sure he could be a great kid. I'm also sure that he could be, like all teenagers, an obnoxious little bastard at times.