Vincent Vega Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 I really don't think you understand ability that you have to embue your posts with overtones of homoeroticism... Imbue. Sorry, I've been drinking.
franciscanheart Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 No I have not. I did hold off on sex with a girl during high school and college. You are saying that you think I already had sex with a girl. Please do not accuse me of something I did not do. What evidence do you have to back up your baseless claim? I am not sure what made you say any of this. This is so far from what I said, it is almost comical. I suggested you missed the one opportunity you had at sleeping with a virgin. I was being facetious. I do not know why I expected you to understand the joke. For the record, your nonsense disgusts me. From racism to comparing the mentally ill to rabid dogs: seriously? You have proven yourself not only intolerant (in all the bad ways), but also ignorant. And no, the irony is not lost on me, though it may be on you: Any virgin that wants to lose her virginity to you is probably mentally ill.
beatitude Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Well I happened to live with the mentally ill for a while and I can say that they are a NIGHTMARE to live with. It was an inferno that brought out the very worst in me. I only had additional problems/complications in life because of them. I have every right to avoid them the way I would a rabid dog or a person with AIDS. ... Regarding mentally ill people, this is the way I see it: I have nothing to gain and everything to loose. They don't offer me anything that a normal person can't offer me, but they are riskier to deal with. So why bother? If casinos had a slot machine where you could never win anything (best case scenario being you got your money back) and worst case scenario that you lost it, do you think a lot of people would play? I don't think so. The same logic applies to that population. Human beings aren't casino slot machines. We all offer something different to the world because no two people are alike. Mental illness is extremely common (affecting around a quarter of the population at some point in their lives) and with your attitude, you have closed yourself off to a quarter of this planet, assuming that just because they're poorly they must be somehow dangerous and bad and risky. Not so. Many people with MH problems may have become unusually compassionate, warm-hearted, and insightful people, due in large part to the struggles they have faced, while plenty of people whom you call 'normal' could be the most callous individuals going. You pride yourself on your normality (your attitudes actually aren't normal, by the way) but you have written things that are cruel as well as just untrue. I have a friend who has suffered from severe mental illness who is so kind and thoughtful to everyone. She's happily married. Her husband is lucky to have her. You'd be blessed if you found someone like her, but your stringent demands and insistence on treating marriage as like a business (with your sexual fetishes at the heart) mean that you will never experience the love that they have, not so long as you cling to these ideas. Not long after they got married, my friend developed a severe physical health condition that has now left her bedbound. Often she is too ill even to go to the bathroom. Her husband has to change her diapers. Neither she nor him were prepared for that at the time of her marriage, but they are happy because they love one another. As others have pointed out, there is a reason why the wedding vows are 'in sickness and in health' and 'for better and for worse'. Either you or your perfect white tall virgin spouse might develop mental health problems at some point in your lives. Your perfect white tall virgin fiancee might be raped prior to your wedding. We don't get to predict what will happen in life or what we get out of it, the key is to love God and one another no matter what happens to us in it, and this seems to be an area where you're failing. From what you've written about your own history, you have a lot to learn about forgiveness and healing before you're ready to marry anybody, no matter how closely she matches your 'requirements' or not - and as many, many women have pointed out to you on this thread, your attitudes are likely to send any woman running for the hills. Not because they're all slutty and you and Norseman are the last bastion of decent Catholic morality out there, because you come across as hyper-controlling, disturbingly fixated on being the 'first one in' (oh, I remember a few guys on my campus who had this fetish and used to deliberately hit on religious girls in the hope of fulfilling it - you're no less creepy), and just plain unloving.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 THANK YOU. I was going to post something similar (Tab also should read what you posted), but you beat me to it. I never said anything about 'soul mates' i just said to let God in on the decision.
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) I am not sure what made you say any of this. This is so far from what I said, it is almost comical. I suggested you missed the one opportunity you had at sleeping with a virgin. I was being facetious. I do not know why I expected you to understand the joke. For the record, your nonsense disgusts me. From racism to comparing the mentally ill to rabid dogs: seriously? You have proven yourself not only intolerant (in all the bad ways), but also ignorant. And no, the irony is not lost on me, though it may be on you: Any virgin that wants to lose her virginity to you is probably mentally ill. Someones state of life should not be a joke. ie: that he missed his opportunity to have sex with a virgin. And you saying the only women he deserves is probably mentally 'ill wrong' young. I haven't been able to keep up with this thread so forgive me if i'm wrong, but did polski ever mention anything about sex. Polski did you mention anything about sex, or was this originally about sex, or just the desire for the right female companion to journey on this road of life with? Edited July 24, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 (edited) i rate this threads title as 5 star, i think it is great to see virginity on the board, especially in a world at present that seems at times to be dictated by sexuality and sensuality. Edited July 24, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye
Selah Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Well I happened to live with the mentally ill for a while and I can say that they are a NIGHTMARE to live with. It was an inferno that brought out the very worst in me. I only had additional problems/complications in life because of them. I have every right to avoid them the way I would a rabid dog or a person with AIDS. That's your own damn fault. You know you aren't supposed to feed a mogwai after midnight. I really don't think you understand ability that you have to embue your posts with overtones of homoeroticism... xD
franciscanheart Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Someones state of life should not be a joke. ie: that he missed his opportunity to have sex with a virgin. And you saying the only women he deserves is probably mentally 'ill wrong' young. I haven't been able to keep up with this thread so forgive me if i'm wrong, but did polski ever mention anything about sex. Polski did you mention anything about sex, or was this originally about sex, or just the desire for the right female companion to journey on this road of life with? You people. Reading comprehension! Gr. I didn't say DESERVE. I said the only people who will WANT to be with a person as ignorant as he, are probably mentally ill. Who would choose to be with someone so ignorant and hateful? Who says, sign me up for the dude whose faith in and desire for a marriage rests primarily on my virginity and his ability to take it? Who says that? Someone who is mentally unstable, probably. And if you're going to keep posting (especially in response to people who did not engage you), you should probably go back and read. Because YES, sex has been mentioned -- and quite a bit. Your hero has said over and over again that his desire to take someone's virginity is so strong as to ruin a marriage if his wife had not been when they married. He has portrayed non-virgins as disgusting undesirables. His right, sure, but still hateful. He also compared the mentally ill to rabid dogs. Most here would agree he has a right to his preferences -- no matter the level of ignorance -- and would probably not think twice about how ridiculous he is IF NOT FOR his attitude. His attitude is the worst part. But then, you probably don't understand how any of this relates to anything since you didn't read the thread. (Still cannot understand why people choose to post on message boards without reading the MESSAGES.)
Selah Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 You people. Reading comprehension! Gr. His reading comprehension is always pretty bad after 7 miller lites
organwerke Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Again, where are your rebuttals to the points I made?? All I see is "You are mentally ill, you have distorted views about everything, you are super selfish, you need therapy". Here is a question for you, does that mean that white people who live in the suburbs have distorted views of race? White people flock to the suburbs and minorities flock to the cities so that every group gets to be with its own kind. I will post this link so you can see that this is a common mentality. Lol, tell that to any employer who pays decently. If you prefer them over someone like me, go right ahead and do what you want. I live 90 minutes north of you, outside of Allentown. I have seen some of the people roaming around in the more dangerous sections :unsure: In the social and capitalist hierarchies we have in America, those people TEND to be closer to the bottom. Well I happened to live with the mentally ill for a while and I can say that they are a NIGHTMARE to live with. It was an inferno that brought out the very worst in me. I only had additional problems/complications in life because of them. I have every right to avoid them the way I would a rabid dog or a person with AIDS. Everything in life is a competition, what else is new? No, I would not marry the non-virgin in real life. I was only saying what WOULD happen if I did, for the sake of going along with the hypothetical example. That is the reason why I DO NOT want a virgin. Hello Christina, Thank you for your input. I read your post and it was refreshing to see a post that wasn't so antagonistic. Aside from the stuff norseman posted, everything on here has been pretty negative. Regarding mentally ill people, this is the way I see it: I have nothing to gain and everything to loose. They don't offer me anything that a normal person can't offer me, but they are riskier to deal with. So why bother? If casinos had a slot machine where you could never win anything (best case scenario being you got your money back) and worst case scenario that you lost it, do you think a lot of people would play? I don't think so. The same logic applies to that population. Here is what I am willing to do. I'm not going to spend a penny on counseling services. If I was even close to being mentally ill, I would have been institutionalized by now with what I have had to put up with. I don't see how standing up for one's own personal interests is a distortion of reality. What I am willing to do is go to a local parish priest one of these days, mainly to talk about these different young adult groups that are available in my area. However, I will also talk to him about what has happened in the past couple of years with me, what I have seen with a lot of supposedly catholic girls, and the general direction I'm heading in. I will see what he says and go from there. However, rest assured that I'm not bending even 1 degree when it comes to virginity. Regardless of what he says about me wanting a virgin, that's what it is going to take for any of my future relationships to reach that final level. Polskie Serce is polish for "Polish Heart". Yes I am Polish. My parents left poland while it was communist. They met in nyc and that's where I was born. Polish culture is a part of who I am and it would mean the world to me if I had a polish girlfriend. This is part of the reason why I mentioned earlier thread that I'm not looking to cross racial boundaries for a relationship. Poland is one of the most racially homogenous countries in Europe. If my family in Poland knew that I was looking for a virgin, they wouldn't care, and they would actually support me in my search. I already know they have pretty similar sentiments regarding non-virgins. But if they found out that I crossed those types of boundaries for a relationship, they would really think there is something weird going on with me. Even white families who have been in the US for several generations and have had much more contact with other races are not rushing to marry minorities. Even with the inter-racial marriage rate increasing, it's still at only 1 in 12. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/16/interracial-marriage-stat_n_1280511.html Contrary to what some people have suggested, I am not racist. Racism is the idea that one race is better than another. I never said that one race is better than another. I just said that I was only considering white girls. The reason? I simply do not have any physical attraction for non-white girls. What's the point of dating a girl you are not physically attracted to? It defeats the whole purpose of dating. But again, I will see if I can talk to a priest about the issue and see what happens. There are some facts that you should keep in mind. I will start form the "mental illness" subject. You may have your reasons for having your position, but let me say you are very young and even if you may find the woman who fulfills all your requirements soon (I highly doubt this will happen but I am speaking hypotetically), there is nothing that can assure you that mentall illness won't ever be a reality in your future life. As many have said and you too have admitted, mental illness is a very common thing. Not only. Everyone among us can have moments in his/her life in which, willing or not, have to face this problem. The fact that nowadays you are (or think to be) free from a mental problem, doesn't mean that you will always be free from it in the whole course of your life. The same is for your spouse. You must seriously consider this, because, a time that the marriage is celebrated, if your spouse will develop a mental illness in the future, the marriage is still valid and you, willing or not, have to face the problem. Please answer: how do you think you would handle the situation, if this possibility became a reality? Then there is a thing that is the logical consequence of what I said above. In your posts where you strongly defend your positions and your demands and your requests (you started the thread only mentioning the "virgin" aspect, then you added the White one, then the mentally illness, then the fact that your wife should economically contribute to the marriage and so on and on -I think the only aspect which I agree you shouldn't admitt exceptions is the abortion aspect), you seem to give the idea that married life (and life in general) is like a mathematical equation: once I know the premises, I am absolutely certain of the consequences. But are you really sure that things work this way in real life? Not to say that one of your previous statements "What would be the point of marrying a non-virgin if I still have a very intense and burning desire to sleep with a virgin? The marriage would only fall apart anyway, because my desire is just that strong. When guys have fantasies that their partners can't fullfill, bad things happen." is worrying at the least. What sort of bad things are you referring to? What sort of bad things could happen in your life if your partner couldn't fulfill your fantasies? Also: can you explain why this desire to sleep with a virgin is so burning and intense for you? What feelings arise in you this desire? For me, it has more to do with an erotical thing rather than a romantic one. I really cannot see the value of virginity as represented in the christian view in the way you talk about it. In your posts, I only can see the idea of a physical excitement and the idea of possession of the other -nothing that speaks of love or self donation. Then the fact that ALL the phatmassers that have replied in these 38 pages of this thread, except from Norseman, have pointed out many critical signals in your posts, really do not mean anything to you? Many of them are also happily married (Norseman is not), many are white catholic virgin girls that could meet you in real life, and nonetheless you think there isn't absolutely anything you can learn from them, from their experience, from their advices? Do you realize how foolish and absurd is your behaviour? There are other things I'd like to point out (such as also for example the strange fact that, even if you mention a hell that had to do with your mother depression, you seem to be so worryied about your parents' reactions towards your partner in life) but I think that for now this can be enough.
To Jesus Through Mary Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 I would avoid a woman who was raped, partially because of the virginity issue but also due to all of the psychological problems that you see in that population. It is not too uncommon to see rape victims who are extremely promiscuous, because that is one way they feel they are "in control" of the situation. I have already encountered females with psychological problems. I'm not looking to repeat the past again. I only read through 20 pages of this BS- so someone may have already covered this, but frankly I was too irritated to read the rest of this gibberish. I am going to say this for the benefit of lurkers and other posters. A virgin rape or incest victim is still a virgin in the eyes of the Church and thus of God. Your standard is irrelevant, but you are not the measure of truth. Your reasoning of psychological problems would be the same if she wasn't penetrated in her abuse. So then you would have to eliminate anyone who had any sort of sexual abuse. So your kink to make sure your wife has a hymen when you get married is a separate issue. But own it- don't victim shame because you have a particular twist. I will tell you right now, rape victims are some of the most courageous people with a absolute determination to survive. That determination would make an amazing wife that would stick it through thick and thin. We are not some sort of cancer to a marriage. Nor should we be punished for the action of another person- that is purely unjust. At the risk of being uncharitable, I will stop here. But your ignorance is mind blowing. Please be careful how you speak about survivors in the future- you never know who is one and how deeply you may hurt them with your words. Oh an your griping about other people giving you a hard time about your "standard"- you put this on the Debate Table. Not us.
homeschoolmom Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Well I happened to live with the mentally ill for a while and I can say that they are a NIGHTMARE to live with. It was an inferno that brought out the very worst in me. I only had additional problems/complications in life because of them. I have every right to avoid them the way I would a rabid dog or a person with AIDS. Again I will ask this question. Please don't avoid it. What would you do if your own child had a mental illness? Having children is a complete crapshoot. You have NO say whatsoever in their mental health.
Selah Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 I have every right to avoid them the way I would a rabid dog or a person with AIDS. "Whatever you did for the least of these" Oh hey didn't Jesus say that or something? Bah, he was just some bum, what did he know.
KnightofChrist Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Well I happened to live with the mentally ill for a while and I can say that they are a NIGHTMARE to live with. It was an inferno that brought out the very worst in me. I only had additional problems/complications in life because of them. I have every right to avoid them the way I would a rabid dog or a person with AIDS. I lived with souls who suffered with the earthly purgatory of mental illnesses. I can say it was a cross to bare, but I embraced it, and it brought out the best, Christ, in me. When the 'nightmares' and 'infernos' would come I found joy and peace instead. Far too many people today still look at the mentally handicapped with condescension and look at them as though they were cursed. But I know, I know, if one looks hard enough with the eyes of Faith and Love, one can still see the beauty of the person's soul, and their humanity. I recall when my grandmother's mental prowess began to slip away. Old friends and some family abandoned her, treated her as though she wasn't really human. But I could see in her eyes she was still there, some days that shined through the darkness that clouded her mind more than others, but there was always a ray or two of her that would shine through. One only needed to look for it with the eyes of Faith.
Ice_nine Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 I've gone from disgust, to amusement, to genuinely feeling bad for this guy. (At first I felt bad for the girl that might end up with him, but the only girls taht would consider dating him won't meet his ridiculous requirements. She'd have to be a little jacked up mentally or a really traditional catholic who I'm sure would not like his rants against stay-at-home mothers). Seriously, I've not met a professing Christian who is so painfully ignorant of sacrificial love and so utilitarian. Polksie, I'm not sure why you continue to be here if you refuse to listen to the dozens of people who are telling you that you need an attitude adjustment. That's fine. Make use of those other avenues to find women. I am confident you will fail and the only reason I'm happy about that is because I'd be worried about a woman who would end up with you. You give such priority to your own self-interests and to think this will magically disappear once you get married to the woman who passes all your tests, is batshit insane. Here's what's likely to happen: women are gonna run the hell away from you when you share these things with them. There is no woman without significant mental health problems who will give you the time of day. This will likely make you bitter and frustrated, but you'll have options: seek help, change, learn how to love better (a lesson we could all use really), or you will be stubborn and be alone for the rest of your natural life. I'm just talking real here. And my apologies if my posts have been rude. I have a bad habit of being a snarky expletive on the internet sometimes, and I was convinced you were an atheist trolling about the insanity of the church's sexual ethos. But I really hope that years down the road you will take some of these folks' advice so you will learn to love better and find happiness with someone. Payce
Lil Red Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Most here would agree he has a right to his preferences -- no matter the level of ignorance -- and would probably not think twice about how ridiculous he is IF NOT FOR his attitude. His attitude is the worst part. But then, you probably don't understand how any of this relates to anything since you didn't read the thread. (Still cannot understand why people choose to post on message boards without reading the MESSAGES.) yup :like:
CatholicsAreKewl Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Seriously, I've not met a professing Christian who is so painfully ignorant of sacrificial love and so utilitarian. You've never met a politician?
Ice_nine Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 You've never met a politician? lol. I chose my words poorly. I've only had like 3 hrs of shleep. But in all seriousness the OP is not unique in his utilitarian leanings among those who take Catholicism or christianity seriously, I've just not seen it taken to this weird extreme.
FutureCarmeliteClaire Posted July 24, 2013 Posted July 24, 2013 Brohoofs. The dude is probably just a troll. If so, I applaud your dedication to trolling, dude.
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