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CatholicsAreKewl
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Because he would be upset if pro-choice women didn't think that he viewed them as the moral equivalent of Nazis?  It would be a terrible shame if people who were pro-choice felt like they were anything other than scum in the eyes of the Church.  

 "Every child that isn't born, but is unjustly condemned to be aborted, has the face of Jesus Christ, has the face of the Lord."

They prefer this?

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 "Every child that isn't born, but is unjustly condemned to be aborted, has the face of Jesus Christ, has the face of the Lord."

They prefer this?

 

 

Institutionally or personally?  Institutionally, there isn't anything objectionable about that statement.  Personally, people within NARAL have varying degrees of sympathy with individuals who object morally to abortion.  Some are completely unsympathetic.  Others are sympathetic.  None believe that the state should impose laws barring abortion.  At least non late-term abortions.  

Fidei Defensor
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Yet again we are on opposite sides of the issue, because I would say that ignorance of Christianity is at an all time high, and the Church (actually not just the Roman Church, but Protestant and even Orthodox Churches) is to blame. Catechesis has collapsed in most Churches in the Western world.

Right, it is a catechesis problem within the Churches—the rest of world already knows where you stand.  That conveniently brings us back to the original issue which is that Pope Francis doesn't think it necessary to continually talk about the same things over and over; spend less time repeating the same things, spend more time teaching the fundamentals of the faith.  

 

The rest of us aren't going to change our minds because we keep hearing how you feel about the same issues again and again.

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Because he would be upset if pro-choice women didn't think that he viewed them as the moral equivalent of Nazis?  It would be a terrible shame if people who were pro-choice felt like they were anything other than scum in the eyes of the Church.  

 

yes, that's clearly the upshot of the pope's remarks from the point of view of NARAL, which stands for National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League.

 

sarcasm.

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 "Every child that isn't born, but is unjustly condemned to be aborted, has the face of Jesus Christ, has the face of the Lord."

They prefer this?

Which does make one wonder why he spoke as he did in his America Magazine interview. Is it any wonder that people (both liberal and conservative in the political spectrum, and both Orthodox and Catholic in the theological spectrum) are confused by Pope Francis' waffling on particular subjects (n.b., I think you called it "fluffing").

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yes, that's clearly the upshot of the pope's remarks from the point of view of NARAL, which stands for National Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League.

 

sarcasm.


What point are you trying to make?

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You keep circling but you won't land

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Right, it is a catechesis problem within the Churches—the rest of world already knows where you stand.  That conveniently brings us back to the original issue which is that Pope Francis doesn't think it necessary to continually talk about the same things over and over; spend less time repeating the same things, spend more time teaching the fundamentals of the faith.  

 

The rest of us aren't going to change our minds because we keep hearing how you feel about the same issues again and again.

 

 

No, I think your wrong.  Reiterating how gross gay sex is will do the trick if it gets reaffirmed a few more times.  

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Um, how many times do Catholics have to hear that the Church is wrong aboux abortion, contraception, celibacy, etc, etc, etc? Funny how the other side wants the Church to lay its hands down, but they're still ready for a strike.

 

 

You are what is wrong with Catholicism.  

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This was in the NARAL twitter feed today.

 

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thats really bad.

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thats really bad.

Why?

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When a sodomocentric secularist like you tells me that, it means I'm doing something right.

 

 

Right.  When an ardent secularist expresses admiration for a pro-life, anti-gay-marriage Pope something has clearly gone terribly wrong.  I'm glad that someone like you can slither out and remind me what drove me out of the Church in the first place.  Go pat yourself on the back.  

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Why?

 

Dear  FDR,

 

Thank you.

 

signed,

Nazis everywhere

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Dear Abraham Lincoln,

 

Thank you.

 

signed,

slave owners everywhere

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

now how does that make them look?

 

(if you are going to ask if I am drawing a comparison between women who support abortion on demand and people who supported the policies of the Nazi party or slave ownership, the answer is yes, I am.)

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Dear  FDR,

 

Thank you.

 

signed,

Nazis everywhere

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

 

Dear Abraham Lincoln,

 

Thank you.

 

signed,

slave owners everywhere

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

now how does that make them look?

 

(if you are going to ask if I am drawing a comparison between women who support abortion on demand and people who supported the policies of the Nazi party or slave ownership, the answer is yes, I am.)

 

 

That's some curious moral righteousness from somebody who has spoken positively of the Administration that supported genocide in Indonesia/East Timor.  Maybe that was what Francis was getting at.  

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Right, it is a catechesis problem within the Churches—the rest of world already knows where you stand.  That conveniently brings us back to the original issue which is that Pope Francis doesn't think it necessary to continually talk about the same things over and over; spend less time repeating the same things, spend more time teaching the fundamentals of the faith.  

 

The rest of us aren't going to change our minds because we keep hearing how you feel about the same issues again and again.

The Church, like Christ, must speak the truth whether or not people want to hear it.

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You keep circling but you won't land

 

Okay, here's my point.

 

Say the president of the American Cancer Society comes out with a statement that says "yes smoking is bad, but we can't focus on that to the detriment of the whole anti-cancer message. The complete holistic message includes other important things too. Eating healthy and exercising is important to fighting this disease. In addition, it's vital that we expand access to preventative healthcare to achieve our mission." (all true btw)

 

Media then promotes headlines like "American Cancer Society: We've Been "Obsessed" with Cigarettes"

 

Phillip Morris then promotes to all their followers on social media a graphic that says,

 

"Dear President John Smith of the American Cancer Society,

 

THANK YOU.

 

Signed, Smokers Everywhere."

 

It's coming from freaking Philip Morris. I don't think Phillip Morris actually has the same goals  as the president of the ACS, but because the prez of the ACS is naive about PR or has a bumbling media team, the general public now has the wrong idea about the importance of smoking cessation. "I can keep smoking, after all the ACS talked about how all these other things are more important, and all this focus on evil cigarettes was wrong-headed."

 

Meanwhile he also provided a PR windfall for Phillip Morris, an organization that works every. single. day. as much as they can, as hard as they can, to undercut his work. Much as NARAL works every single day, as hard as they can, against the Pope's mission to protect the "least of these." The followers on the Phillip Morris facebook and twitter and so forth aren't necessarily going to think "hey I should read this whole interview! Phillip Morris might be over-simplifying a bit!" Instead they will think "about time the ACS came around to our position. Our side was right the whole while. Time for a smoke break."

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Go find someone who doesn't already know how the Church feels about gay marriage or abortion and then we can talk about the importance of repeating the same thing over and over again.

Found some!

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That's some curious moral righteousness from somebody who has spoken positively of the Administration that supported genocide in Indonesia/East Timor.  Maybe that was what Francis was getting at.  

 

 

nice try.

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