jeffpugh Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 I like the general intercessions in the St. John Crysosthom (sp? sry) liturgy. I still almost say "Lord have mercy" instead of "Lord hear our prayer"
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1903823' date='Jun 28 2009, 01:15 PM']I like the general intercessions in the St. John Crysosthom (sp? sry) liturgy. I still almost say "Lord have mercy" instead of "Lord hear our prayer" [/quote] I posted the Litany of Peace from the Byzantine Liturgy in the USAirways' thread about the General Intercessions.
picchick Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903767' date='Jun 28 2009, 01:43 PM']You were saying that I'm full of myself? [/quote] When did [i]I[/i] say that? I saw others saying it. And now you say it. Hmmmm.....
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1903856' date='Jun 28 2009, 01:35 PM']When did [i]I[/i] say that? I saw others saying it. And now you say it. Hmmmm.....[/quote] You agreed with someone who said it, if I recall correctly.
picchick Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903858' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:35 PM']You agreed with someone who said it, if I recall correctly.[/quote] Yep, I just saw that. As you age your memory becoms shot. I just consider myself pretty Now back to the topic at hand. I wish this thread would be closed. I see it as only causing more division. The original intent of this thread was to show how one was better than the other despite it being said otherwise. Mass is Mass. God wants us to go to Mass. He is not going to hear the prayers of one set of people just because they go to a different form than another. God is not going to make one set of people higher than another. Instead He looks in the heart Can we close this thread? Edited June 28, 2009 by picchick
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) [quote name='picchick' post='1903862' date='Jun 28 2009, 01:38 PM'] Yep, I just saw that. I wish this thread would be closed. I see it as only causing more division. The original intent of this thread was to show how one was better than the other despite it being said otherwise. Mass is Mass. God wants us to go to Mass. He is not going to hear the prayers of one set of people just because they go to a different form than another. God is not going to make one set of people higher than another. Instead He looks in the heart Can we close this thread?[/quote] The EF displays the Catholic faith better than the OF as it is normally celebrated. Edited June 28, 2009 by Resurrexi
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903863' date='Jun 28 2009, 09:40 PM']The EF displays the Catholic faith better than the OF as it is normally celebrated.[/quote] *boinks head against table*
picchick Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903863' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:40 PM']The EF displays the Catholic faith better than the OF as it is normally celebrated.[/quote] Dude...whatever...when we get to heaven we'll ask God ok? I am done trying to fight with you. It is ridiculous. Maybe it does but does that make it better? Does that make you better? No. But, you won't listen. You'll repeat and repeat like you have because for some reason you think that it will make everyone come to your side or something. Now, can we close tihs thread?
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1903873' date='Jun 28 2009, 01:51 PM']Now, can we close tihs thread?[/quote] There is no reason for this thread to be closed.
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1903868' date='Jun 28 2009, 01:47 PM']*boinks head against table*[/quote] Would you not say that Communion on the tongue, which is the only way to receive Communion in the EF, better displays our belief in transubstantiation than Communion in the hand, which is allowed in the OF in most countries?
Didymus Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903863' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:40 PM']The EF displays the Catholic faith better than the OF as it is normally celebrated.[/quote] not if it's done in a pompous and conceited manner, where the "OF" is seen as something inferior, as if Jesus isn't truly present at both.
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903878' date='Jun 28 2009, 09:56 PM']Would you not say that Communion on the tongue, which is the only way to receive Communion in the EF, better displays our belief in transubstantiation than Communion in the hand, which is allowed in the OF in most countries?[/quote] I know people who cherish and value what they see as a little extra time with Our Lord.
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Didymus' post='1903886' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:05 PM']not if it's done in a pompous and conceited manner, where the "OF" is seen as something inferior, as if Jesus isn't truly present at both.[/quote] Most of the prayers in the OF are inferior to those of the EF. Obviously the Consecration in each is equal. As I have stated before, transubstantiation would occur even if the priest went to altar, said the Words of Consecration over the correct bread and wine with the correct intention, and then left. Edited June 28, 2009 by Resurrexi
picchick Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903874' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:54 PM']There is no reason for this thread to be closed.[/quote] says you.
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1903893' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:10 PM']I know people who cherish and value what they see as a little extra time with Our Lord.[/quote] What do you think about the fact that particles having the accidents of bread are detached from the larger Host and lost when Communion is distributed in the hand?
Noel's angel Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 Resurrexi, get a grip and grow up. The world doesn't revolve around you and what you think.
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Noel's angel' post='1903898' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:15 PM']Resurrexi, get a grip and grow up. The world doesn't revolve around you and what you think.[/quote]
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903897' date='Jun 28 2009, 10:15 PM']What do you think about the fact that particles having the accidents of bread are detached from the larger Host and lost when Communion is distributed in the hand?[/quote] This happens only if 1. the altar host is so big that the celebrant(s) don't consume all of it, AND 2. the celebrant is sloppy in breaking and distributing it, AND 3. a particle sticks to the recipients hand and the recipient does not notice and correct it. You can easily circumvent all three of these points, just like you can circumvent accidentally dropping Our Lord on the floor by letting an altar boy hold a paten. (And do it well. Because this also goes wrong from time to time.) If you were talking about the smaller hosts: there are kinds that really do not crumble. We don't use them at our Cathedral, but we take care to purify the ciborium as soon as we see crumbles. Microscopic parts are always lost at Communion, no matter in what form. I'm playing Devil's advocate here, because I prefer receiving on the tongue. But I strongly believe that if the Church thought as I did about the abusiveness of communion in the hand, she wouldn't have allowed it under [i]any[/i] circumstances.
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) Even when small circular Hosts are distributed for Communion some [b]visible [/b]particles detach: You should take a look at [url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/03/hand-in-glove-02-another-communion-in-the-hand-experiment/"]this[/url]. Edited June 28, 2009 by Resurrexi
BG45 Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 So before Mass today I remembered this thread...and it's grown a number of pages since my last post, so I hope no one minds if I hearken back to a question in the original post. Does this hypothetical "perfect parish" have "perfect" parishioners as well? Because if not, then probably the OF Mass, I'd rather be amongst people who pay attention rather than simply "say the Rosary" as the Mass proceeds.
Recommended Posts