Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='BG45' post='1903932' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:49 PM']So before Mass today I remembered this thread...and it's grown a number of pages since my last post, so I hope no one minds if I hearken back to a question in the original post. Does this hypothetical "perfect parish" have "perfect" parishioners as well? Because if not, then probably the OF Mass, I'd rather be amongst people who pay attention rather than simply "say the Rosary" as the Mass proceeds.[/quote] Are you implying that one cannot participate in the Mass by saying the Rosary? (N.B., I hardly ever see anyone praying the Rosary during the EF, espeically not during High Mass)
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903918' date='Jun 28 2009, 10:39 PM']Even when small circular Hosts are distributed for Communion some [b]visible [/b]particles detach: You should take a look at [url="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/03/hand-in-glove-02-another-communion-in-the-hand-experiment/"]this[/url].[/quote] Like I said, this is avoidable to the same imperfect level as problems with communion on the tongue are avoidable. But it's an interesting post. I like the various comments, too.
HisChildForever Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 This thread is a great idea. Let's encourage Catholics to fight with Catholics. We need more division amongst Christians.
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='VeniteAdoremus' post='1903948' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:54 PM']Like I said, this is avoidable to the same imperfect level as problems with communion on the tongue are avoidable. But it's an interesting post. I like the various comments, too.[/quote] To me it seems like someone who receives Communion in the hand actually needs to inspect their hands or else visible particles that detached from the Host will be lost. I actually once heard a homily at the OF in which the priest directed those who receive Communion in the hand to check their hands for particles.
VeniteAdoremus Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1903949' date='Jun 28 2009, 10:54 PM']This thread is a great idea. Let's encourage Catholics to fight with Catholics. We need more division amongst Christians.[/quote] It's like picking at a scab
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 I guess Medieval theologians like St. Albert the Great and St. Thomas Aquinas shouldn't have debated theological issues.
BG45 Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903940' date='Jun 28 2009, 03:51 PM']Are you implying that one cannot participate in the Mass by saying the Rosary? (N.B., I hardly ever see anyone praying the Rosary during the EF, espeically not during High Mass)[/quote] No, I'm implying that it takes away from the participation in the Liturgy to not be of entire mind while there. It is one thing, a commendable thing in my opinion, to pray the Rosary (for instance, before the Mass begins, I try to at least pray one Decade or more, depending on time). However, the Mass is where we are in the Presence of the God-Man himself; to take attention away from that fact is just, in my opinion, denying full honor to God. To not give oneself over to Christ entirely while in His Presence, even by engaging in a holy activity, seems to be intrinsically wrong. [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903967' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:01 PM']I guess Medieval theologians like St. Albert the Great and St. Thomas Aquinas shouldn't have debated theological issues. [/quote] I think HCF was referring more to the Phatmass Guidelines...
HisChildForever Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903967' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:01 PM']I guess Medieval theologians like St. Albert the Great and St. Thomas Aquinas shouldn't have debated theological issues. [/quote] I was talking about YOU and making this thread on Phatmass. I believe this is the second time you have dodged a bullet from me by bringing in a third party to hide behind.
picchick Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1903949' date='Jun 28 2009, 03:54 PM']This thread is a great idea. Let's encourage Catholics to fight with Catholics. We need more division amongst Christians.[/quote] Which is exactly why I asked this to be closed. [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903967' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:01 PM']I guess Medieval theologians like St. Albert the Great and St. Thomas Aquinas shouldn't have debated theological issues. [/quote] Honest to God, Rex. YOU are not St. Albert the Great or St. Thomas Aquinas. Sorry. You just aren't. Therefore, this comment is not only stupid but has nothing to do with this thread. You are trying to make it sound like the EF is better than OF and therefore those who go to it are better. Then you start bringing up the faults of the OF like they help your cause. Please.
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='BG45' post='1903971' date='Jun 28 2009, 03:04 PM']No, I'm implying that it takes away from the participation in the Liturgy to not be of entire mind while there. It is one thing, a commendable thing in my opinion, to pray the Rosary (for instance, before the Mass begins, I try to at least pray one Decade or more, depending on time). However, the Mass is where we are in the Presence of the God-Man himself; to take attention away from that fact is just, in my opinion, denying full honor to God. To not give oneself over to Christ entirely while in His Presence, even by engaging in a holy activity, seems to be intrinsically wrong.[/quote] I do not think that that it takes away attention from the Mass. Praying the Sorrowful Mysteries actually makes sense during Mass, since the passion and death of our Lord are being re-presented in the Mass. That said, I do think that the best way to participate in the Mass is to pay attention to what is going on at the altar, to say the responses, and to join in chanting the Ordinary chants of the Mass.
picchick Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1903980' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:08 PM']You are trying to make it sound like the EF is better than OF and therefore those who go to it are better.[/quote] "But the EF protrays the Catholic faith more fully than the OF" There I did it for you.
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1903980' date='Jun 28 2009, 03:08 PM']Which is exactly why I asked this to be closed. Honest to God, Rex. YOU are not St. Albert the Great or St. Thomas Aquinas. Sorry. You just aren't. Therefore, this comment is not only stupid but has nothing to do with this thread. You are trying to make it sound like the EF is better than OF and therefore those who go to it are better. Then you start bringing up the faults of the OF like they help your cause. Please.[/quote] The point I was trying to make is that it is not necessarily inappropriate for Catholics to debate theological or even liturgical issues.
HisChildForever Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1903983' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:09 PM']"But the EF protrays the Catholic faith more fully than the OF" There I did it for you.[/quote] ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. I don't know WHY he just doesn't come out and say it.
HisChildForever Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903986' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:10 PM']The point I was trying to make is that it is not necessarily inappropriate for Catholics to debate theological or even liturgical issues.[/quote] That would be a legitimate debate. This is more of a "I am going to underhandedly prove to all of you that I am more holy than you."
picchick Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903986' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:10 PM']The point I was trying to make is that it is not necessarily inappropriate for Catholics to debate theological or even liturgical issues.[/quote] NOOOOOOOOO..... YOU said that the point of this thread was to debate preferences..... [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1903987' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:10 PM']ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. I don't know WHY he just doesn't come out and say it.[/quote] He has: [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903863' date='Jun 28 2009, 02:40 PM']The EF displays the Catholic faith better than the OF as it is normally celebrated.[/quote]
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1903991' date='Jun 28 2009, 03:11 PM']That would be a legitimate debate. This is more of a "I am going to underhandedly prove to all of you that I am more holy than you."[/quote] When have I ever discussed my personal holiness in this thread?
HisChildForever Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903994' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:12 PM']When have I ever discussed my personal holiness in this thread?[/quote] It doesn't have to be discussed, hun.
Resurrexi Posted June 28, 2009 Author Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1903993' date='Jun 28 2009, 03:12 PM']NOOOOOOOOO..... YOU said that the point of this thread was to debate preferences.....[/quote] I think the reasons why one prefers one form over the other falls under that debate.
HisChildForever Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903997' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:14 PM']I think the reasons why one prefers one form over the other falls under that debate.[/quote] But WHY should it be a debate?
picchick Posted June 28, 2009 Posted June 28, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1903997' date='Jun 28 2009, 04:14 PM']I think the reasons why one prefers one form over the other falls under that debate.[/quote] But see now you are changing your tune. Discussing reasons why is not a debate but a conversation. And you fight back saying how our preferences are either not right or not as great. Edited June 28, 2009 by picchick
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