havok579257 Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1310154555' post='2264596'] I think you misunderstood those pictures. I was dancing while you banged your head against the wall. You doing that MAKES me dance, while me dancing MAKES you bang your head against the wall. I am not an atheist but I don't see that as a dirty word either. You do. I think people all have their own opinions, and most come to them honestly and with a desire for truth. Doesn't make their opinions right, but it should make it easier to see the humanity behind those opinions. And Havok, you ARE implying that there is a relationship with gays and Hitler; you're saying that allowing a gay person to have a Catholic funeral is analogous to giving Hitler one! It's called analogical reasoning. Look it up. I refuse to answer your ludicrous question because it is not the slightest bit germane to this conversation. You can call it a cop out, but it's my decision to make. Thanks for the prayers, though. Unlike an atheist, I do believe in God and I know that He hears our prayers, regardless of the passive aggressive intentione behind them. [/quote] i am not implying giving a gay person a funeral has any relationship to hitler. i am saying giving everyone who was baptized catholic no matter if they are faithful or heritical is the same as giving hitler a catholic funeral. fine, let's approch this another way. do you think anyone who was baptized catholic, no matter what, should be allowed to have a catholic funeral? that as long as you are baptized a catholic, no matter what you did in life against your fellow man or against God and the church, you should be allowed a catholic funeral? there was no passive agressiveness meant. when i prya it will be with sincerity that you come to accept the catholic church completely.
havok579257 Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) [quote name='stevil' timestamp='1310154626' post='2264597'] Please forgive me kujo, I feel compelled to answer this post which is so obviously directed at you LOL With kujo I don't see a battle line drawn between Catholics and Atheists, there is no war to fight. Just because I say something that does not mean this opinion is the Atheistic stance, I have not claimed it on behalf of all Atheists and I don't think that this should drive an instant and immediate response of disapproval from Catholics with a motive to disown all things Atheistic including opinions. If you looked at the totallity of things you would find that we are much more alike than you probably think. With regards to being aligned with the Catholic church, I am unqualified to know who is more aligned, you or kujo. It is not clear to me. Kujo seems to be compassionate and understanding and seems to be tolerant of others, I would think these good traits might be aligned with the Church. [/quote] n/m Edited July 8, 2011 by havok579257
kujo Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1310155103' post='2264600'] i am not implying giving a gay person a funeral has any relationship to hitler. i am saying giving everyone who was baptized catholic no matter if they are faithful or heritical is the same as giving hitler a catholic funeral. fine, let's approch this another way. do you think anyone who was baptized catholic, no matter what, should be allowed to have a catholic funeral? that as long as you are baptized a catholic, no matter what you did in life against your fellow man or against God and the church, you should be allowed a catholic funeral? there was no passive agressiveness meant. when i prya it will be with sincerity that you come to accept the catholic church completely. [/quote] Havok, I'm done with this. Read this article on [url="http://groups.psych.northwestern.edu/gentner/papers/Gentner02a.pdf"]analogical reasoning[/url] while I will pray that you get over your need for my approval. Edited July 8, 2011 by kujo
stevil Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1310155103' post='2264600'] there was no passive agressiveness meant. when i prya it will be with sincerity that you come to accept the catholic church completely. [/quote] When people pray for others, why do they tell them before doing it? Is it common curtesy or is it because they want them to feel that they need praying for?
kujo Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='stevil' timestamp='1310155335' post='2264605'] When people pray for others, why do they tell them before doing it? Is it common curtesy or is it because they want them to feel that they need praying for? [/quote] You're a pretty savvy atheist!
havok579257 Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1310155248' post='2264603'] Havok, I'm done with this. I will pray that you get over your need for my approval. [/quote] you got me. i am so in need of your approval. i don't know ever what i will do without your approval.
kujo Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1310155433' post='2264607'] you got me. i am so in need of your approval. i don't know ever what i will do without your approval. [/quote] See? Now you're dancing, just like me. You the saying about imitation being the most sincere form of flattery...
havok579257 Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='stevil' timestamp='1310155335' post='2264605'] When people pray for others, why do they tell them before doing it? Is it common curtesy or is it because they want them to feel that they need praying for? [/quote] you got us catholics. whenever we tell someone we are praying for them, we are trying to tell them they are being horrible sinners. we pray for people during mass all the time. i can only imagine what you must think.
havok579257 Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1310155530' post='2264608'] You the saying about imitation being the most sincere form of flattery... [/quote]
kujo Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1310155567' post='2264609'] you got us catholics. whenever we tell someone we are praying for them, we are trying to tell them they are being horrible sinners. we pray for people during mass all the time. i can only imagine what you must think. [/quote] When you spend 20+ pages arguing with someone and [i]then[/i] tell them that you're going to pray for them, it tends to come off as a bit of a jab.
kujo Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1310155661' post='2264610'] [/quote] Sorry [s]ma'am[/s] sir. iPhones are tricky
havok579257 Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='kujo' timestamp='1310155750' post='2264611'] When you spend 20+ pages arguing with someone and [i]then[/i] tell them that you're going to pray for them, it tends to come off as a bit of a jab. [/quote] and when you make numerous posts and try to attack catholics on phatmass about being uncharitable and are uncharitable yourself, it tends come off hypocritical.
kujo Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1310156144' post='2264616'] and when you make numerous posts and try to attack catholics on phatmass about being uncharitable and are uncharitable yourself, it tends come off hypocritical. [/quote] Good to see you found your spell-check button! Where was I uncharitable again? I seem to have forgotten amidst all this fun I'm having getting you riled up.
stevil Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1310155567' post='2264609'] you got us catholics. whenever we tell someone we are praying for them, we are trying to tell them they are being horrible sinners. we pray for people during mass all the time. i can only imagine what you must think. [/quote] I wasn't talking about the actual prayer, just the habit of telling the subject person before hand.
kujo Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='stevil' timestamp='1310154626' post='2264597'] Please forgive me kujo, I feel compelled to answer this post which is so obviously directed at you LOL With kujo I don't see a battle line drawn between Catholics and Atheists, there is no war to fight. Just because I say something that does not mean this opinion is the Atheistic stance, I have not claimed it on behalf of all Atheists and I don't think that this should drive an instant and immediate response of disapproval from Catholics with a motive to disown all things Atheistic including opinions. If you looked at the totallity of things you would find that we are much more alike than you probably think. With regards to being aligned with the Catholic church, I am unqualified to know who is more aligned, you or kujo. It is not clear to me. Kujo seems to be compassionate and understanding and seems to be tolerant of others, I would think these good traits might be aligned with the Church. [/quote] Any more of these compliments from an atheist and Havok's head might explode!
stevil Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1310155567' post='2264609'] i can only imagine what you must think. [/quote] You could ask rather than imagine
kujo Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='stevil' timestamp='1310156523' post='2264622'] You could ask rather than imagine [/quote] What do you think?
Adrestia Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 [quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1310125921' post='2264383'] i understand what your point of being here is, but people are giving you answers and your just blowing them off. your picking and choosing which things to argue and which things are unjust. you write repeatedly about how the church is wrong because they discriminate against homoexuals. although you ignore the fact that the church teaches the same things against all kinds of sin. it seems like your not here to learn but instead here to talk about specific things your against. it seems this way since yoru picking and choosing certain things to complain about even though we bring up the same instance of the church being against another type of sin. you just ignore that the church teaches that premarital sex is wrong and only focus on when the church says homosexual sex is wrong. the church talks about both and about how bad both are. yet you only focus on one and ignore the other when they are very similar. ii could understand if you complained about why does the church teach anything is wrong and they are offending someone always by telling them their acts are sinful. although your not doing that. yoru ignore facts and picking and choosing which things to complain about. that's why i question if your honestly here to learn about catholicism. [/quote] This is why I gave up several pages ago. Ironically, it was my homosexual friends that suggested I wash my hands of this argument.
Vincent Vega Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 Seems like what we're seeing here is a want to make the Church conform to the world. It would be easier on everyone if homosexuality wasn't a sin (it'd be easier if there were no sexual sins at all, or even if there were none, period). Unfortunately, that's not the way it is. Don't get mad at us, get mad at God - he's the one who made the rules. I wish that I could say that my homosexual friends and relatives were not doing anything contrary to natural law when they engaged in sexual acts with others of their own sex. It would make things easier on both them and me. That's not the way the cookie crumbles, though, and unfortunately the gate is narrow. Not you nor I nor anyone else can change that.
kujo Posted July 8, 2011 Posted July 8, 2011 (edited) [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1310156978' post='2264627'] Seems like what we're seeing here is a want to make the Church conform to the world. It would be easier on everyone if homosexuality wasn't a sin (it'd be easier if there were no sexual sins at all, or even if there were none, period). Unfortunately, that's not the way it is. Don't get mad at us, get mad at God - he's the one who made the rules. I wish that I could say that my homosexual friends and relatives were not doing anything contrary to natural law when they engaged in sexual acts with others of their own sex. It would make things easier on both them and me. That's not the way the cookie crumbles, though, and unfortunately the gate is narrow. Not you nor I nor anyone else can change that. [/quote] I'm not mad at anybody. Remember, I'm the one Edited July 8, 2011 by kujo
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