Forget The President, What About The Marijuana?

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1352336050' post='2506216']


Additionally, CCC 2291 specifically calls drug use grave matter when not used for therapeutic purposes.
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[b]2291 [/b]The [i]use of drugs[/i] [u]inflicts very grave damage on human health and life.[/u] Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

Has this been demonstrated in the case of Marijuana?

[Norseman82]

Judging by the pro-stoner crowd here, youse all could make a hit movie: "Dude, where's my catechism?". At least with the money earned dUSt won't have to keep hitting us up for donations for a better server.

Edited November 8, 2012 by Norseman82

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1352336572' post='2506222']
[b]2291 [/b]The [i]use of drugs[/i] [u]inflicts very grave damage on human health and life.[/u] Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

Has this been demonstrated in the case of Marijuana?
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I'm sure someone can supply studies somewhere. I'll just supply the catechism and Bible quotes.

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' timestamp='1352336572' post='2506222']
[b]2291 [/b]The [i]use of drugs[/i] [u]inflicts very grave damage on human health and life.[/u] Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

Has this been demonstrated in the case of Marijuana?
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Plenty of people use marijuana to deal with chronic pain.



And honestly, guys, if you're going to pull out a commission's teaching on drugs for marijuana, reason demands that you apply the same standard to tobacco.

Tobacco has been routinely demonstrated to cause significantly more damage over the long term than pot, and has much fewer therapeutic benefits. Yet, I don't hear anyone complaining about pipes and cigarettes. Unless you're willing to get rid of those too, and acknowledge their use as sinful, you can't say the same thing about pot.

[Guest]

I'm familiar with that part of the catcechism norseman but heck caffine is a drug....so what about places where pot is legal...and alcohol is for sure a drug...and to your earlier post marijuana can be eaten...it can be added to foods...my only point is consuming it in and of itself is not sinfull...Don't have my Bible but Paul says to let no one judge you on food and drink...He says he is convinced that in Christ Jesus nothing is unclean in and of itself....but to the person who thinks its unclean it is ...anyhow I'm not for drug use...coke, meth, all that stuff is wrong and bad...but you're not gonna tell me sitting and drinking whiskey and other hard stuff is ok but smoking a bowl is not...

Edited November 8, 2012 by Guest

[Jesus_lol]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1352325094' post='2506022']
Studies seem to reject the idea that it is conceptually impossible to take marijuana in moderation.
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anyone with even the slightest experience with the drug knows that it is not impossible to take in moderation. Everyone else, is frankly misinformed.

[Jesus_lol]

And let us be perfectly honest. Most of the people arguing against marijuana here have very little idea of what the drug actually does, and are conflating it with every other bad drug they can think of, like Acid, heroin, cocaine(but for some reason are not consistent enough to consider tobacco and alcohol in the same way). Most people here arguing against the legalization of pot are not doing so because of any legitimate concern of the law or public safety, but because they [i]dont like stoners.[/i]

And that just is not good enough.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1352337090' post='2506230']

Plenty of people use marijuana to deal with chronic pain.



And honestly, guys, if you're going to pull out a commission's teaching on drugs for marijuana, reason demands that you apply the same standard to tobacco.

Tobacco has been routinely demonstrated to cause significantly more damage over the long term than pot, and has much fewer therapeutic benefits. Yet, I don't hear anyone complaining about pipes and cigarettes. Unless you're willing to get rid of those too, and acknowledge their use as sinful, you can't say the same thing about pot.
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Actually, the catechism does in fact state that abuse of tobacco is a sin.

Also, when was the last time you heard of someone getting the munchies after smoking a cigarette or pipe or cigar?

[Guest]

Jesus lol solid stuff...Really sorry about being a jerk in the past...You're a good dude...Peace brother...

Edited November 8, 2012 by Guest

[Guest]

Norseman what's wrong with the munchies ?? Lmbo really ?? And I don't get those when I smoke...But when I drink man can I eat a croutons load...no lie...

[Guest]

It amazes me one can defend hard liquors and make jokes about getting drunk but be so ignorant about marijuana...The only answer can be they just have no clue and believe the propoganda the government has fed them...

Edited November 8, 2012 by Guest

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1352337090' post='2506230']

And honestly, guys, if you're going to pull out a commission's teaching on drugs for marijuana, reason demands that you apply the same standard to tobacco.

Tobacco has been routinely demonstrated to cause significantly more damage over the long term than pot, and has much fewer therapeutic benefits. Yet, I don't hear anyone complaining about pipes and cigarettes. Unless you're willing to get rid of those too, and acknowledge their use as sinful, you can't say the same thing about pot.
[/quote]Big difference. Tabacco is already legal and was assimilated into society hundreds of years ago without understanding of its harmful effects. It's use has become more restricted as we've learned. You youngers probably can't imagine. You don't even see cigarette advertising.

With pot, your talking about changing its status when we already know its a drug with much more mind altering effect that tobacco.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1352338790' post='2506256']
Norseman what's wrong with the munchies ?? Lmbo really ?? And I don't get those when I smoke...But when I drink man can I eat a croutons load...no lie...
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What's "Lmbo really"?

[Guest]

Haha laughing my butt off

[Guest]

Anomaly are you really that strongly against pot ? You think its that bad ? I know you said you used to sell it.

Edited November 8, 2012 by Guest

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1352338080' post='2506245']
And let us be perfectly honest. Most of the people arguing against marijuana here have very little idea of what the drug actually does, and are conflating it with every other bad drug they can think of, like Acid, heroin, cocaine(but for some reason are not consistent enough to consider tobacco and alcohol in the same way). Most people here arguing against the legalization of pot are not doing so because of any legitimate concern of the law or public safety, but because they [i]dont like stoners.[/i]

And that just is not good enough.
[/quote]im pretty familiar with pot. I've probably smoked more than you've seen in your lifetime.

Pot affects your mind more than tobacco, so no comparison.

Alcohol has been accommodated in almost all cultures for thousands and thousands of years, mostly out if necessity. You're talking about adding an intoxicant use to society on a large scale for the primary purpose of recreational use.

What is the benefit of adding a drug for recreational use to society? How do you guage and regulate operation of vehicles or performing other risky tasks.

We have enough mentally compromised people and were going to add to it? It's naive to believe there is no potential for negative effects to society. What is the benefit for society?

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' timestamp='1352339971' post='2506274']
Anomaly are you really that strongly against pot ? You think its that bad ? I know you said you used to sell it.
[/quote]Yes. Don't get me wrong. I know pot isn't going to make every toker a junkie. It's the mindset of turning to drugs to make you feel better or cope with crapp in life. I know who my buyers were and what sells. Beer and wine are practically food, a beverage with meals. Alcohol use is centered around being in a social group, celebrating with people.

[Jesus_lol]

Well, ok then how about we keep it illegal, that will surely stop kids and everyone else from smoking it. Keeping it illegal will keep all that business in the hands of dangerous people, on the streets, where it belongs. I bet if we keep it illegal for a bit longer, or make it more illegal, that will really put the hurt on those cartels that make money off it being illegal, and will stop the illegal trade from killing tens of thousands of people every year.

Yes, it has to be the bright side of that deal to keep the status quo on danger and suffering for the perceived advantage of keeping almost nobody from smoking weed and eating chips.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1352337090' post='2506230']
And honestly, guys, if you're going to pull out a commission's teaching on drugs for marijuana, reason demands that you apply the same standard to tobacco.
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Where did I say that I support the use or sale of tobacco? My mother recently died from emphysema and lung cancer caused by cigarette smoking. I am not for smoking anything.

That said, the Church has condemned any recreational use of drugs, and has done so for some time. Now if you dispute this fact, please post the magisterial documents that back up your position, so that I (and everyone else who reads this thread) can examine them and make an informed judgment.

Edited November 8, 2012 by Apotheoun

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1352337090' post='2506230']
Tobacco has been routinely demonstrated to cause significantly more damage over the long term than pot, and has much fewer therapeutic benefits. Yet, I don't hear anyone complaining about pipes and cigarettes. Unless you're willing to get rid of those too, and acknowledge their use as sinful, you can't say the same thing about pot.
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Smoking marijuana is not good for your lungs either. When my mother had marijuana prescribed to increase her appetite it was in pill form, because the doctor said that any other method of delivery would have deleterious effects upon her health.