Winchester Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 [quote name='txdinghysailor' post='1941499' date='Aug 5 2009, 10:10 PM']it's not your dancing... its your FACE![/quote] Do I smell toast? Cause someone just got burned!
picchick Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 [quote name='txdinghysailor' post='1941499' date='Aug 5 2009, 10:10 PM']it's not your dancing... its your FACE![/quote] Do I sense some jealousy?
Skinzo Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 [quote name='txdinghysailor' post='1941499' date='Aug 5 2009, 11:10 PM']it's not your dancing... its your FACE![/quote] You are a first class JERK! You owe the Lieutenant and everybody else here an apology. No decent person talks like that. S.
txdinghysailor Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1941553' date='Aug 6 2009, 12:00 AM']Do I sense some jealousy?[/quote] More like pity... Actually, I take that back. I have no pity for you. It must be contempt then... [quote name='Skinzo' post='1941643' date='Aug 6 2009, 01:36 AM']You are a first class JERK! You owe the Lieutenant and everybody else here an apology. No decent person talks like that. S.[/quote] Well I never wanted to be a decent person...
homeschoolmom Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 This is the debate table, not the lame board.
Skinzo Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 [quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1941833' date='Aug 6 2009, 10:36 AM']This is the debate table, not the lame board.[/quote] Amen. Just for the record and to attempt to get back on topic, I have to agree with Res, this is grave matter. S.
Vincent Vega Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1941553' date='Aug 5 2009, 11:00 PM']Do I sense some jealousy?[/quote] Isn't that insubordination or something to that effect? I mean...you [i]are[/i] an officer in the United States Air Force, are you not? And he [i]is[/i] a student in the United States Coast Guard Academy, is he not? How does that work out?
Macies Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Sounds highly inappropriate for people of good moral character to engage in.
Marie-Therese Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 I think intention is important, and cannot completely discounted, but in terms of whether it is mortal or venial, intention plays a huge role in that determination. [quote name='StColette' post='1939862' date='Aug 3 2009, 04:38 PM']I don't think one's "intention" could completely be a factor in a case such as this. Let me see if I can explain. Say a girl walks around very immodestly dressed (I don't want to give any details because some guys are very visual creatures). Her intention may just be to look "cute" or "just to have fun". While her intention may not be to cause arousal, it's more than likely that men are going to find her style of dress very arousing. I could say the same thing applies to this type of dancing. It may be the intention of the dancer to just have fun and not arouse their dance partner. But from the majority of guys I know, such dancing is going to cause sexual arousal. Having a good intention doesn't make an act okay, read Veritatis Splendor for further explanation.[/quote] I absolutely agree with you on this one. I will quote a rather unconventional source as my example here. Dave Chapelle once did a stand up sketch talking about women who were dressed inappropriately becoming offended when men made advances toward them. He gave the example of a person dressing up as a police officer and then getting mad when people came up and asked them for help. "Just because I am dressed this way does NOT make me a police officer!" So, in other words, how you dress yourself up (whether by wearing skimpy clothing or wearing another human while dancing) makes a difference. You might not be a hooker, but you're sure wearing the uniform.
CatherineM Posted August 9, 2009 Posted August 9, 2009 A hooker uniform. I'm trying to visualize myself in a gold spandex mini-skirt, and tube top, and all I can visualize is some lame Harvey Korman sketch on the Carol Burnette show.
Slappo Posted August 9, 2009 Posted August 9, 2009 Didn't have time to read it all but here's my two cents: Any sexual sin is considered grave matter by definition.
Slappo Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 Also, it seems like there is a lot of confusion about terms here. Grave matter does not = mortal sin. Grave matter is only one of the three necessary requirements for mortal sin. I think the style of dance is objectively wrong and there is no justification as to "it's just having fun." Well... a person could claim that touching himself for sexual arousal is "just having fun" but that doesn't mean it isn't masturbation as well.
Resurrexi Posted August 10, 2009 Author Posted August 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Slappo' post='1944893' date='Aug 9 2009, 10:21 PM']Grave matter does not = mortal sin. Grave matter is only one of the three necessary requirements for mortal sin.[/quote] I think that we all realize that. But, note well, it is not incorrect to refer to actions themselves being mortally or venially sinful, objectively speaking. For example, the Catechism says, "If anger reaches the point of a deliberate desire to kill or seriously wound a neighbor, it is gravely against charity;[b] it is a mortal sin[/b]." ([i]Catechism of the Catholic Church[/i], no. 2302, emphasis added). Obviously we know that someone who had that kind of anger would not be guilty of a mortal sin if he do so without full knowledge or deliberate consent; however, that does not mean that we cannot speak of the that kind of anger as being a mortal sin, objectively speaking. Edited August 10, 2009 by Resurrexi
Slappo Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1944901' date='Aug 9 2009, 08:34 PM']I think that we all realize that. But, note well, it is not incorrect to refer to actions themselves being mortally or venially sinful, objectively speaking. For example, the Catechism says, "If anger reaches the point of a deliberate desire to kill or seriously wound a neighbor, it is gravely against charity;[b] it is a mortal sin[/b]." ([i]Catechism of the Catholic Church[/i], no. 2302, emphasis added). Obviously we know that someone who had that kind of anger would not be guilty of a mortal sin if he do so without full knowledge or deliberate consent; however, that does not mean that we cannot speak of the that kind of anger as being a mortal sin, objectively speaking.[/quote] I was referring to post 34... I thought there were others which is why I said something but going back that is the only one I saw that looks like there is confusion.
homeschoolmom Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1944515' date='Aug 9 2009, 07:28 PM']A hooker uniform. I'm trying to visualize myself in a gold spandex mini-skirt, and tube top, and all I can visualize is some lame Harvey Korman sketch on the Carol Burnette show.[/quote]
T-Bone _ Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1944515' date='Aug 9 2009, 05:28 PM']A hooker uniform. I'm trying to visualize myself in a gold spandex mini-skirt, and tube top, and all I can visualize is some lame Harvey Korman sketch on the Carol Burnette show.[/quote] If you were a bit younger, and unmarried, I'd totally be in love with you.
Nihil Obstat Posted August 13, 2009 Posted August 13, 2009 I need to revive this thread guys. A friend and I got on this subject, coincidentaly, and she doesn't understand how grinding and 'cuddling' are particularly different. She's Catholic, but lapsed, so this is going to have to come from a more secular perspective. Think you can help me out?
Resurrexi Posted August 13, 2009 Author Posted August 13, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1947766' date='Aug 13 2009, 12:16 AM']I need to revive this thread guys. A friend and I got on this subject, coincidentaly, and she doesn't understand how grinding and 'cuddling' are particularly different. She's Catholic, but lapsed, so this is going to have to come from a more secular perspective. Think you can help me out?[/quote] As far as I am aware, most people are not usually sexually aroused by cuddling.
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